Thunderforged Items

[Deleted]

Coming to the PTR in the near future will be a new designation of item type in Normal and Heroic raids for non-tier pieces. Each 5.2 raid boss will have a chance of dropping this new designation of a particular item that’s 6 item levels higher than their counterparts. These higher quality versions will be called “Thunderforged”. This means that there will be five variations of some items. You’ll now see a 5.2 raid item of LFR quality at item level 502, the same item in Normal quality at item level 522, the item in Normal Thunderforged quality at item level 528, the Heroic version of the item at level 535, and the Heroic Thunderforged version of the item at level 541.

They'll also drop more frequently in 25 man, personally I don't think this will stop 25 man guilds collapsing but it's nice I guess. Thoughts?

[bals]

I liked the whole 'we don't want 25man raids to drop higher ilvl gear, but they're going to drop higher ilvl gear much more often than 10mans'

also curious if they are going to make 25man raid bosses slightly more difficult to account for the higher ilvl

[Abyssion]

Seriously? 25's don't get enough loot and gearing faster????

Now more gear? What a stupid idea, Blizz.. you suck

[Mudkiper]

I liked the whole 'we don't want 25man raids to drop higher ilvl gear, but they're going to drop higher ilvl gear much more often than 10mans'

Maybe you should learn to read and stop misquoting?

'we’re going to try having Thunderforged items drop more frequently in 25-player raids. They’ll be somewhat rare in both cases compared to the standard versions that’ll drop, but they’ll be even rarer in 10s. Overall, a 25-player group will be more likely to end up with a slightly higher item level after several weeks of raiding.'

[Anjerith]

I liked the whole 'we don't want 25man raids to drop higher ilvl gear, but they're going to drop higher ilvl gear much more often than 10mans'

While I don't like this idea, I want to correct you - they don't say it will drop "much more often", they say it will have an increased chance. That is a very significant difference.

[Daerio]

It won't help bring back 25 man raids, it will be entirely ineffectual. I was 'afraid' this is what they intended to do when they called it 'controversial.'

[Twintop]

This sounds like Blizzard is pulling some of the extra ilvl concept from Asian servers over to NA/EU, but not 100% and limited to 25mans only.

On one hand, I like it because it will make old bosses worthwhile and it might breath some life back in to 25mans as a whole (it really depends on what the drop rate difference is). On the other hand, this seems like a back-handed way of keeping raiders content for longer periods of time since their BiS set is now heavily RNG dependent from multiple bosses, even more so than the 'of the XXXXX' gear was.

Overall, I don't hate it.

[Deleted]

Overall, a 25-player group will be more likely to end up with a slightly higher item level after several weeks of raiding.

Epic fail.

Tbh, neither 10-man nor 25-man deserves even higher ilvls than they already get.

[Gurbz]

They'll also drop more frequently in 25 man, personally I don't think this will stop 25 man guilds collapsing but it's nice I guess. Thoughts?

I agree. As an attempt to stop the decline of 25-mans, it's like slapping a bandaid on a gushing wound. Yeah, you are technically doing something and I suppose it has a small effect. But its not going to come close to fixing the problem. In the case of 25-mans, IMO nothing they can do related to gear will make the situation better without causing damage to 10-mans, which would be just as bad. They need to give up and choose one raid format, one size. Thats the only solution to the 10v25 issue.

[blackblade]

They'll also drop more frequently in 25 man, personally I don't think this will stop 25 man guilds collapsing but it's nice I guess. Thoughts?

I doubt it's that they'll drop more frequently, but if its a 25% chance per item to be thunderforged (for example) if 25 drops more items, you inherently see more items per week that have a chance to be thunderforged (even if there are more mouths to feed, so to speak)

[bals]

While I don't like this idea, I want to correct you - they don't say it will drop "much more often", they say it will have an increased chance. That is a very significant difference.

in addition, 25mans have 4 more pieces of loot that drop.
it's going to be a big difference, even if the drop rates of thunderforged items were the same between difficulties.

[ZeroEdgeir]

1: It's not JUST for 25 Mans, cause they knew if they did that, and made 25s have the better gear, straight up, it goes back to the WotLK issues, both with difficulty balancing AND "10s are real raiding!" debates.

2: For all we know, the drop chance could be 2% to get a drop to proc Thunderforged in 10s, and all of 5% in 25s. That is a higher chance (1 in 20 instead of 1 in 50), but it's still rare.

[Anjerith]

in addition, 25mans have 4 more pieces of loot that drop.
it's going to be a big difference, even if the drop rates of thunderforged items were the same between difficulties.

I counter that a good 10 man group will still outperform 25 people of varied degrees of skill and god knows what mixed levels of cooperation.

[Enosh]

so higher ilvl for 25 mans with a "it's just rng" excuse build in?

[Koji2k11]

well i have mixed feelings about this its like the difference between the legendary drops in DS and FL 25 mans get more and get it faster in the end it has its downsides

[Deleted]

Anyone got blue source on this?

[Anjerith]

Anyone got blue source on this?

The front page of the website you are now visiting.

I have a better idea for this whole mess, just have 25 man gear be a different color. Same ilvl. 25s get their unique look while not causing an uproar.

[Deleted]

On the other hand, this seems like a back-handed way of keeping raiders content for longer periods of time since their BiS set is now heavily RNG dependent from multiple bosses, even more so than the 'of the XXXXX' gear was.

BiS no longer exists. It died long ago with the introduction of reforging. Now every single heroic item you can wear can be considered BiS.

[Daerio]

Anyone got blue source on this?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...9282055?page=1

[Gurbz]

BiS no longer exists. It died long ago with the introduction of reforging. Now every single heroic item you can wear can be considered BiS.

Um....no? Not sure if serious.

If the stats on it are already bad, moving 40% of one of them will not make a difference. There is still very much a clear BiS for every slot and every class.