They should just axe 10 and 25man and go 15man for all modes, including lfr.
Don't forget that while 10-man might shard a healing trinket on its third drop because nobody needs it anymore, it still has to drop 4 more times before the 25-man raid has risen to the same level.
And while a bad RNG might feel a lot more extreme in 10 man, e.g. "trinket never drops" vs. "1 of 4 mages has it" in 25 the overall average gear level progression really just depends on the size of the roaster and the number of drops.
Currently 25-man drops 3-times the loot which should give you better odds if you just look at the raid size (3x vs 2.5x), however from my -admittedly anecdotal- experience 25-man guilds usually maintain a larger roster, so the factor 3 seems to be more or less spot on when comparing roster sizes.
it's probably a lot higher than "slight" and they just want to limit the complaining until it goes live
but I guess 25 man people can't be bothered to actually do 25 mans without better shinnies, so there you go, have fun, a dying vestige of raiding propped up for one more expansion by extending it's life support
Last edited by Enosh; 2013-01-24 at 11:35 AM.
This wont solve anyhing. Ok so you can get the items faster in 25% But its not like that will make 25Man raids come back...
As long as there is no diffrence between loot, No one will care enough.
I wonder how much longer Blizzard is going to stay in denail.
When you look long enough, Diglett's nose turns into a mouth with 1 tooth!
People raid what gives them the best epics, so they won't hate 25 as much.
The biggest problem is that there's no problemYou thinking this solves a problem makes me think you don't know what the problem is.
A solution mentioned before would be very elegant: let the raidleader / GM of a guild decide WHO get's the Thunderforged item (it should adapt to the needs of the recipient of course). You always will have the occasional "ninja", but those guilds tend not to live long.
I am in a guild that during Cata had around 18 man on the raiding roster, before that I was in a 25m guild with a 30m roster.... so actually the opposite of what you like to fit in as spot on....
yeah, give easy mode more drops and more chance of getting better stuff. 10 man, you lose 1 person it is usually a bad thing, 25 man, I have seen 5 down and boss's still die.
As I said it's anecdotal evidence, however I do believe that most 10 man guild (can) run with a smaller overhead as it is easier to find raid times that suit 10 people than it is for 25 where you usually need more backup.I am in a guild that during Cata had around 18 man on the raiding roster, before that I was in a 25m guild with a 30m roster.... so actually the opposite of what you like to fit in as spot on....
Obviously you can find almost any roster size in WoW and it's probably impossible to get hard data on this but I think overall 25 man raids need a bigger roster. 3x might err a bit in favor of 25 mans but I think the average factor is above 2.5.