It took damned long to take mines with 3 people because about 5 Alliance were defending there, we eventually managed to do so because we outgeared the opposition by quite a bit. When we finally took it, guess who arrived? 5 of the 7 defenders of waterworks, seconds after the Alliance capped waterworks because the two guys who stood there were afk and a rogue just capped it.
These people or at least some of them weren't bots either, as they were writing/flaming on the chat. It's where I kind of felt like yelling at them for a bit. And no with 0 deaths, nearly 7 million healing done and having contributed quite a bit I sure as hell wasn't "trying to blame someone else for my short comings". Hell I'm full upgraded T2 2,2k+ RBG Rating.
Same for a TP game where the other side completly outgeared my side. Together with an druid flag carrier and a moonkin we held the flag for 15 minutes against several large incomes by kiting them around the entire base slowly killing them since all three Alliance healers were with their boss. Eventually our DPS got lucky and managed to down their tank in some miracle allowing us to score the 1:0.
What happened now was that the first guy to grab the flag was an 310k HP rogue. Who then proceeded to run outside and stand on the edge right next to the ramp leading down from the Alliance base instead of running for ours. He stood there for about 2 minutes giving the Alliance ample time to actually make it to him (about 6-7 guys were waiting right below) and when some DK attacked him from behind jumped right into them.
I by that time was already there and spamming away healing with only about a minute to play. His reaction? Pop everything and sprint AWAY from me. He died, the Alliance made the 1:1 and about 5 seconds later the game ended with their victory.
9 people had for 15 minutes fought and put in a lot of effort to skill a point against a vastly superior team gear wise and a single guy had ruined it all in a matter of seconds for everyone else. Yeah I flamed him and so did a few others. Because he deserved to be flamed. If you're being flamed just ask if you're always the poor victim or if you're actually deserving it at times.
Sometimes camping a GY in WSG is a viable tactic.
For example, in a random WSG we only had 1 healer compared to the other team having 3 healers (1 of them undergeared)after they capped on us just from the sheer amount of heals they had, me (RET PALLY) and an Arms Warrior (we we're the best geared ppl in the BG) decided after we killed the undergeared healer and another decently geared healer we will keep them around their GY unable to get to their FC's and it worked.
With them unable to get all their healers into the action the rest of our team was able to overpower their single healer the rest of the match and we won 3-1.
Well part of this I have to say that numbers do lie. I HATE people who bring up damage, kills, healing when that has very little to bg's. Objectives yes, other part not so really. Yes I know you cant do a complete bg where nobody does no damage, kills nobody or for most heals. For me some idiot running solo into 5 players and yeah maybe killin one or two while that person never goes for flag, kills fc or captures a objective is just as useless. Now the extreme I guess you are stating is someone who avoids everything and just complains..sure but I could be a person say in WSG who tries to go capture our flag and say if they have defense I keep gettin killed so at the end I end up with more deaths than kills while my whole team basically sits in middle. The other scenerio is I go after FC and its guarded by 3 or more and they are heals well I'm not dumb enuff to jump in and try to solo 4 people so I patiently wait for more people and they never come.
I have raged and less these days in bg's about things such as this but I'm trying to do better because today I realize most or bots or people who don't care about winning. I'll admit its hard to bite my tongue but I try.
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Grrreat!! Yes, that works but that pretty shows that the team you are going against is probably fail from the start and not really a strategy, same as fighting middle. I have also seen where people head straight to GY and the FC runs right by them.
I remember losing a WG with a shit team, 7 of them just fail camped mid and me (Lock), a Druid and a mage keep getting killed when we tried to go for the flag. EFC was sitting there in mid farming honor with 3 healers backing him, but he didnt need it because my idiot team refused to :
Defend one of us when we got the flag.
It got so bad that i saw 2 enemy players get the achievement for return 4 flags in a single BG. So i started grabing the flag, blowing every trick in the book to get too mid and dropping it near my team. After 6 flag drops :
No one grab it
Everyone started bitching about how "I lost the game for them".
I then explained how a CTF game works in detail, highlighting a few key pionts such as : getting the flag, defending the flag, returning our flag, and how hanging out in mid does nothing. I then stripped myself naked and danced in mid, to help moral.
"Humility defeats pride, Master Yang has preached. Pride defeats man"
" I need a sec, my wrists hurt from spamming slam so hard. Playing cleave vs cleave is tough stuff guys"
Good players tend to adapt to difficulties.
Then why are their tons of 5 man premades in randoms?????
You get shit for honor when you lose, going into randoms at this time in MoP is pointless for Alliance players, you are much better off converting Justice points if you are Alliance. The Alliance player base right now is garbage, Horde racials are 10x better in pvp, including EMFH because of the infinite CC trains so Horde advantage in its PVP player has become much greater now than in a long time.
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How do you think good guilds win word first raid bosses? They exploit.
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Every time I'm in a losing bg there is always some undergeared guy with little to no bg activity yelling and berating everyone.
Synek - best rogue in the world
There is really only one thing that makes my blood boil in BG's and that is in EoTS. When the enemy have 3 bases and we have 1 and I see 10 of our team in the middle waiting for the flag I hang my head in shame.
I have been constantly telling Horde for the past five years about this and it continues to happen with frightening regularity. Talk about beating your head on a brick wall.
In other BG's I do hear a lot of complaining. It tends to start as soon as you go 1-0 down in WSG or TP or 4-1 bases in AB. A lot of the time it is the person with the highest number of KB's or damage and I think to myself "If you hadn't been off killing people mindlessly and actually trying to accomplish the objectives then we might not be in this position"
Most of the bad players are the ones who focus on being scoreboard heroes.
Its not the same running random bgs and no one complains about everyone else being horrible and they are the best. The best is when you look at the scoreboard and see they have done nothing to help and have 0 kills, caps, defends(returns), most deaths, and least healing/damage done and when you post this they instantly start blaming lag, team, spec, bg, etc.
It just wouldn't be the same without them! lol
What i do in this case is i explain or show to the guy complaining that at least 50% of the people hes yelling at are bots, he usually stops