Last edited by Tyrven; 2013-01-24 at 07:15 AM.
"Privilege is invisible to those who have it."
As I mentioned in my post, many of us WANT to do 25mans. However the lack of 25man guilds (in any abundance of variety, no less) makes it exceedingly hard to FIND one to join. Hence, we are being FORCED to go to 10man raiding.
Lol your idea is truly awful. Blizzards is bad, it is really bad, but yours is just godawful. Ugh.
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I suppose how you want to decide the most popular format is up for arguments.
"Privilege is invisible to those who have it."
On a side note, all of you are saying that 'true' 25man players are not after the gear but the prestige. Then why were 25mans starting to disband and turning to 10mans right AFTER the separate lockout and the same gear being dropped on both difficulties?
Last edited by Syio; 2013-01-24 at 07:21 AM.
I remember one of Cata patch changes made our ICC 25-men raids to have over 70% (!) fps drop in comparison to what was preCata-patch. With shared lockouts on top of that, it quickly led to dissolution of the guild. And MoP added even more requirements on top of that.
But let me assure you - people who have neither of those 2 problems (optimal running of 25-men fps-wise and having no problems to do officers' duty) are extremely small minority. Attempting to push people in 25-men won't work in such way until 2 main underlying problems will be solved: addition of lightweight version of client and reliable personal progression of raid members (putting lottery system of rewards far on back plan): so 25-men would have less stress with DKP/rotation problems and 10-men wouldn't be left behind with their terrible system of drops (lol not a single healing shield for our 10-men in t11, t12 and t13 - what a joke... And one dropping in DS 5-men was plain awful and didn't have spirit).
Last edited by Ferocity; 2013-01-24 at 07:31 AM.
Adding all those things wouldn't make anyone to want to do 25m more then 10m it will just hurt 10m players because they are getting less while 25m is getting more. Honestly this is one of the dumbest ideas (Thunderforge, not yours) Blizzard has come up with because 25m already has better loot waste then 10m. 10m's have been bitching since the beginning of Cata of how much harder it is to gear up your raid compared to 25m and now they are widening the gap even more?
They said they didn't want to give higher ilvl gear to 25m so instead they gave it to both but gave 25m a higher chance of getting it, therefore 25m gets higher ilvl gear more often ... sounds like they did what they said they wouldn't do but just added a little bandaid fix to say "Hey 10m people ... were not completely screwing you over, you have a chance just not a great one!" ... ugh
Honestly I think the problems they currently have can't be fixed with rewarding 25m. I believe it's the sizable gap between 10m and 25m is the sole problem. If you want to form a 25m you need 10m's and 5 extra people, this is quite a lot. While breaking down to 2 10m's is quite easy cause most of the time 25m's break down is because only 21 people show up. What I think they need to do is get rid of 10m and make 15/20/25 man's. They wouldn't be that hard to balance cause they would be so close in players and you can easily swap up or down depending who shows. The problem with this idea is that requires a lot of work and just adding higher ilvl is a much easier fix ... it will do nothing but piss off 10m players ... but it's easier!
Also I am a 10m raider, I have done 25m in TBC and Wrath and I didn't really enjoy it but I loved WoW so I continued. In the middle of Wrath a bunch of my friends and I made a side group and we started pushing 10m content and it was the most fun I've had. I like 25m but I love 10m raiding so much more. In 25 I always felt like I got lost in the crowd and my dps didn't really matter too much. Also there was always 2-5 people I really hated and always wanted to mute lol. In 10m on hElegon if I don't kill my orb it's probably a wipe, on hWill if I don't tab dot like no tomorrow we will hit enrage timers, I feel like I'm really apart of the fight instead of just pew pewing from the sidelines.
Last edited by Raone; 2013-01-24 at 07:42 AM.
The majority of my raiders do not have such problems on a whole unless their PC is dying and most prefer the back seat. Not many are willing leader material, but a good number used to be officers in 25-man guilds. The loot distribution is frankly the least of our problems; it's finding new raiders. There have been a few originally 10man raiding folks who come in and decide they like the bigger community and switch to 25man raiding (I'm thankful for this), but recruitment is getting tougher as the months go by.
I am not necessarily supporting the changes the OP is proposing. I'm merely trying to argue the point that 25-mans are in desperate need of help contrary to what a lot of 10man raiders like to think of us.
I don't think that merging the two sizes into one between size is appropriate. If they only wanted one raid size, they would never have added 10 mans in the first place. The point is to have an equal choice, and right now bliz feels that choice is not very equal, and are trying to correct that.
blizzard spends months developing an idea
releases it to the general public
next day players whine
surely they will scrap the idea they spent months and creativity on just because couple thousand people don't like it.
I'm saying you have multiple options, and noone is forcing you to do any of them.I do not understand this. So if I can't find a 25man group, I have an option of quitting or 10mans. Is that what you are saying?
The problem would be that the difficulties are not equal in terms of loot. Loot. Something you don't feel the need for when doing 25man, yet you would want to get better loot than a 10man drops? Let's be honest, most of the players who raided 25 and then switched to 10man chose because they would put less effort to get the same loot as they would in 25. Where's their lust for the prestige then?If so, does that not apply to 10mans if 25mans were given better loot? They have the option to do 10mans if they can't find a 25man group.
You want to do 25 mans? Do them. But if you complain that Blizzard made a mistake when they made both difficulties drop the same loot, causing 25mans to ''die'', then you make a false assumption based on your opinion that everyone feels like you do about it.