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---------- Post added 2013-01-24 at 02:22 PM ----------
Go and tell my baby sister
Not to do what I have done
Go and spurn that house down in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
Wow, that's amazingly smart or stupid.
Before dropping civics they were already re-electing a guy I've seen smoking crack in a motel room with hookers.
How much worse can it get?
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities.
There are around 43 gallons of gas in a barrel. That means that barrel price would have to fall well under 50$ per to account for all refining, storing, and shipping costs, without any taxes at all. Just... ugh.
I don't think it's the government's responsibility to educate the public, though. If that's what we're depending on in the first place, we're screwed. Parents should have a much greater role in educating their children, but they don't - part of that is due to the fact that our culture has become dependent on that government education. Another big part is most parents are also stupid, so they are incapable of teaching their children.
It is a big problem in our high schools right now that most courses (with few exceptions) will only be failed by kids who actively try to fail them. Attendance and virtually no understanding of anything being taught is enough to pass.
Lets help make future voters more ignorant! Brilliant!
"He started out as a little shit-spark off the old shit-flame,
then he turned into a shit-bonfire and then driven by the winds of his monumental ignorance
he turned into a raging shit firestorm."
Here is an idea of what I "had" to pass to graduate high school.
Basic US History: This includes the Revolutionary War, a few battles during the civil war, almost nothing about WW1, and a few basics about WW2. They taught us nothing beyond WW2 and virtually no world history. (It's worth pointing out that what little World History they taught, was largely wrong.)
English (Reading/Writing): A few short stories and one Shakespeare play. The "writing" component was limited to a report we had to hand in for our "final."
Science: General biology was all that you needed to graduate.
Math: Adding, subtraction, division. I'm not joking when I say that is all I needed.
After graduating I was immediately told I HAD to take additional "make-up" courses before I could even think about applying to a community college.
Now some could, and should, argue that our students should be pushed to achieve more in school. Science's, math, and the like should be emphasized. Not removed in favor of football, soccer, and band practice.
And, yes, Civics does serve a value. It educates students as to what our founding fathers INTENDED this nation to be and not what Bush or Obama WANT it to be. It helps to create informed voters by helping them understand what powers each branch of the Government is supposed to have.
The radical notion that other people are not your property.
MSNBC is to Democrats what Fox News is to Republicans. There is NO un-bias news network. Only a select few un-bias shows.
Unbelievable, that they are considering not forcing students to learn about how their Government works, which is something important to do. Government was one of my favorite classes this year as a senior and was very informative. I even *gasp* changed my political stance after learning how the U.S. government works, and learned to stop following my parents' opinions on politics blindly and instead make my own opinions about politics.
The fact that they want Fine Arts and Physical Education credits to replace the Civics credit is just another fucking slap in the face, they should be forcing Math and Science credits upon the kids, not additional Fine Arts and Physical Education.
You can get through High School in my school district without taking Calculus, the highest you have to go is Pre-Calc, if that. And some people don't even take Physics, which is another travesty.
- John Milton in AreopagiticaGive me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties
Also doesnt the fact the the US is multicultural and a fricken huge nation have somthing to do with having Lower numbers than other contries whos populations arnt as spread out.
I can't really say I disagree with taking US Government classes out of the graduation requirements for high school. Speaking from first hand experience, I didn't show up to that class hardly at all. I was actually failing that class as of the last day of school for Seniors. I did a bit of make up work and I was passed with a D.
In my day to day life, the little information I did pick up from that class hasn't been used. I would also consider myself relatively successful as I have been in software game design for 10 years now.
A class like that is really hit or miss in terms of who is going to get anything out of it. Some students couldn't care less about the inner workings of the US Government but are still forced to take a class they can't stand. There are also students who are going to enjoy the class and be able to take quite a bit of information from it.
I guess what I am trying to say is that a US Government class is not essential to the every day life of a citizen. Sometimes, information like that can be handy but for the most part... the average person doesn't need to know what was taught in that class.
I would be in favor of changing up the graduation requirements to include a larger variety of options. For example, maybe US Government isn't something I care about... but there are other political classes that peak my interest. Allowing those classes to fulfill the graduation requirement would be okay with me.
Last edited by Darth Steve; 2013-01-24 at 07:53 PM.
This is one of the most wildly inaccurate and just generally stupid things I've seen on these threads in a long time. That is saying a lot.
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You know what? Fine.
You can wave away all civics lessons, you can wave your requirement to ever care about the inner workings of your government. However at the same time you wave your right to vote.
I think this is being misconstrued in this thread.
I think there are two things happening here and they are not necessarily related.
On one side the schools are considering dropping civics, terrible idea in my opinion but thats what they are doing.
On the other side they are considering offering credits for other activities.
NOT - They are considering replacing civics with other activities.
Big difference there, and a perfect example of spin.
If I had to guess I would say the motivation for allowing extracurricular to count for credit is three fold.
1: They want to help improve the physical health of our students, so if this makes more kids go run around a track after school or back and forth on a basketball court then its a positive.
2: They want to keep kids from going home to empty homes, or very very broken homes, where they get into trouble.
3: They want to boost graduation rates and figure that if a kid graduates because they played basketball for 4 years it doesn't matter, as long as the statistic improves.