Windwalker's are simming highest, but it's hard to judge since so few people can play the spec well.
Gonna go with Assassination Rogues / Dks since they always perform well in mid tiers.
Windwalker's are simming highest, but it's hard to judge since so few people can play the spec well.
Gonna go with Assassination Rogues / Dks since they always perform well in mid tiers.
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T11 WR: 115, T12 WR: 45, T14 WR:44, T15 WR:37, T16: WR:28
If the PTR changes stick then WW will be top dps wise easily. But as its been stated before what you should look for highly depends on the raid comp and what you need. Fury war brings in quite a bit of utility and scales better with gear so you can safely assume that they will still be near the top dmg wise. Unless you need more BoPs ret imo shouldn't even be a choice right now. Rogues new raid cd with smoke bomb gives them added utility and so far this xpac I haven't seen a fight similiar to heroic V&T where rogues were overpowered but there usually is one so they are always a good choice.
Have you guys actually tried the PTR at all or are you just making up numbers? Those datamined tooltip descriptions are for Mistweaver only, you can't take them at face value.
I've copied my main to the PTR and spent extensive time trying different reforges to try to do more DPS than I am on live and I am struggling to do so. The new mastery scales well but it's not that great yet, it's better at a high gear level and not so great at a low gear level. The change to Tigereye Brew stack generation should be a small increase, and so should hitting Chi Wave on cooldown. I think at best we might be seeing around a 10-15% increase on the PTR.
On live we are generally in the top 6 or so specs in single target fights. So we should stay in the top 5 but we won't pass Arcane Mage for example. However Storm, Earth, and Fire should allow us to be more consistent to possibly continue to be in the top 5 on the rest of the fights that benefit from cleave or multitarget dps, which we currently are lower middle of the pack on.
Not sure of your gear level but our WW copied to PTR just to test it out. And with his current gear and going heavy mastery single target it was a 25k dps increase to his current dps. I don't claim to know monks all that well but if you told me I was gaining 25k dps and already was consistantly top 1-3 in raids I'd be pretty happy with that.
Why isn't unholy dk on the list?
Think I'll vote rogue or frost dk, but it's really really hard to tell.
Honestly it's not even close in a 10 man setting - it's by far Fury Warriors as they add so much more than any other melee currently. I'm playing a rogue myself but I'd much rather play a Fury Warrior. However, I guess it's becoming a little closer between rogues and Fury Warriors due to rogues getting Smoke Bomb raid CD, but I'd pick a Fury Warrior regardless.
Unholy DK seems to be the redheaded child when it comes to DK DPS I guess. People want the facekeyboard style of Frost it seems, I think Unholy is quite competitive if you know how to play it right but sadly there are not many DK's playing Unholy for there to be enough of a sample size to prove it's worth, there is a sample size but I feel it's not enough so maybe with 5.2 we'll see a big change in those numbers on sims. Hopefully these changes attract more players away from Dullfrost to Winholy
yeah, I'm getting a significant increase in damage on the ptr compared to live. The new mastery scales REALLY well. You are doing something very wrong on the ptr if you cant manage a marginal dps gain.
As far as WW sims go, i still think there is some sort of disconnect in there somewhere. Even the best of the best WWs in the best of the best guilds are barely getting close to those numbers, and usually its with some added luck. I wouldn't put much weight in the BiS profile. Hell the gear they have there isn't even upgraded.
Up until 5.1ish hit I was able to keep up or even pass the sim in damage, but now it pretty much takes luck to hit it. But i mean, if you look at garajal for example(cut out the chinese/tw parses). with gear that is around 3-4ilvls higher than those sims people still are BARELY on the high end breaking those sims numbers. And when you're talking 2 upgraded weapons, that should be a 6kish dps increase.
There are quite a few very good WWs out there, don't let those sims fool you into thinking we're the 2nd best dps spec though. Raidbots front page will simplify it for you.
Before I get biased and say 'Warrior DK Rogue' I would say: Pick whatever would complete your setup, but more importantly: Pick a player who knows what he's doing, regardless of class.
And the lack of Ret representation sucks :< A very good ret can be of good use
All the classes have something to offer in a raid environment.
i.e. raid cooldowns - warrior, aoe stuns/grips/shell - dk,
Soaks/survival/long single stuns/engrage dispells - rogue
In a vaccuum none are much better than the other in my opinion... Go with what your raid group can utilise most and what you actually enjoy playing.
Fury > WW > Frost