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    spirit kings 25hc, grounding totem still works on Cowardice?

    Just curious if blizz has done something about this. I know it worked at least in november but as we progress hcs now, will it work here now?

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    Yes it still does, the Glyph works as well.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


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    can someone clarify exactly how grounding works on this boss (with and without glyph)

    i'm just a little unclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edlike View Post
    can someone clarify exactly how grounding works on this boss (with and without glyph)

    i'm just a little unclear.
    Without the Glyph:

    You put down grounding and the next stack of Cowardice will be soaked.

    With the Glyph:

    Grounding soaks for it's full duration EVERY Cowardice applied on your party, your party is virtually immune against cowardice for this duration.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

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    Does this work on Normal mode? I assume so, if so our healers will be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Without the Glyph:

    You put down grounding and the next stack of Cowardice will be soaked.

    With the Glyph:

    Grounding soaks for it's full duration EVERY Cowardice applied on your party, your party is virtually immune against cowardice for this duration.
    Wait, what?! I'd have killed for that information during early HC progress, would've saved SO much time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sting View Post
    Wait, what?! I'd have killed for that information during early HC progress, would've saved SO much time.
    I wrote that down in a "Useful tips for raiding shaman thread" on MMOC during early MoP.


    Rule 4 of Shaman Raiding:

    Try Grounding on a Boss, doesn't matter if your instincts tell you it won't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    Does this work on Normal mode? I assume so, if so our healers will be happy.
    Yes it does, the mechanics are the same.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

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    1/28 19:24:21.473 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0480000002583B8D,"Ryet",0x511,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0 x80000000,8177,"Grounding Totem",0x8
    1/28 19:24:21.473 SPELL_SUMMON,0x0480000002583B8D,"Ryet",0x511,0x0,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0xa28,0x0,8177,"Grounding Totem",0x8
    1/28 19:24:21.861 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0x04800000028A3D80,"Druid1",0x514,0x 0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,DEBUFF
    1/28 19:24:21.861 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0x0480000003547405,"Hunter1",0x512,0 x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,DEBUFF
    1/28 19:24:21.861 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:21.861 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:21.888 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0x048000000080C503,"Priest1",0x514,0 x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,DEBUFF
    1/28 19:24:21.937 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0x048000000080C503,"Priest1",0x514,0 x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,DEBUFF
    1/28 19:24:21.963 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0x0480000000412A3C,"Mage1",0x514,0x0 ,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,DEBUFF
    1/28 19:24:21.995 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:22.064 UNIT_DESTROYED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0
    1/28 19:24:22.184 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:22.184 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a48,0x0,0xF13017250000060F,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:31.381 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0480000002583B8D,"Ryet",0x511,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0 x80000000,8177,"Grounding Totem",0x8
    1/28 19:24:31.381 SPELL_SUMMON,0x0480000002583B8D,"Ryet",0x511,0x0,0xF13017250000061D,"Grounding Totem",0xa28,0x0,8177,"Grounding Totem",0x8
    1/28 19:24:31.964 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x04800000022CD3BF,"Shaman2",0x548,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x8000000 0,0x80000000,8177,"Grounding Totem",0x8
    1/28 19:24:31.964 SPELL_SUMMON,0x04800000022CD3BF,"Shaman2",0x548,0x0,0xF13017250000061E,"Grounding Totem",0xa28,0x0,8177,"Grounding Totem",0x8
    1/28 19:24:32.150 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13017250000061E,"Grounding Totem",0x2148,0x0,0xF13017250000061E,"Grounding Totem",0x2148,0x0,89523,"Grounding Totem",0x1,BUFF
    1/28 19:24:32.154 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13017250000061E,"Grounding Totem",0x2148,0x0,0x04800000022CD3BF,"Shaman2",0x548,0x0,89523,"Grounding Totem",0x1,BUFF
    1/28 19:24:32.261 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a28,0x0,0xF13017250000061D,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:32.261 SPELL_MISSED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a28,0x0,0xF13017250000061D,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,IMMUNE
    1/28 19:24:32.285 SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x30a28,0x0,0x048000000041B523,"Rogue1",0x548,0x 0,117829,"Cowardice",0x20,DEBUFF
    1/28 19:24:32.557 UNIT_DESTROYED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF13017250000061D,"Grounding Totem",0x2111,0x0
    I can't see this is actually working. This in my experience is how it has always worked. 2 hits and it dies.

    Without the Glyph:

    You put down grounding and the next stack of Cowardice will be soaked.

    With the Glyph:

    Grounding soaks for it's full duration EVERY Cowardice applied on your party, your party is virtually immune against cowardice for this duration.
    Can you please validate your claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryet View Post
    Can you please validate your claims?
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3139&e=3525

    Check the uptime of Cowardice on me and some other raid members, i have around 45sec uptime while others have around 60sec.

    Which implies that i stopped dps'ing or somehow avoided Cowardice stacks for 15sec.

    This log is a bit old but it still works, i would post our log from this week, but we had 2 Shaman.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

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    [18:43:43.488] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:43:43.566] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:43:43.777] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:43:43.924] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:43:44.128] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:44:10.928] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:44:11.118] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:44:11.397] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:44:11.520] Unknown Cowardice Grounding Totem Immune
    [18:43:39.575] Meng the Demented gains Cowardice from Meng the Demented
    [18:44:13.008] Unknown Cowardice Meng the Demented Miss
    [18:44:15.827] Unknown Cowardice Meng the Demented Miss
    [18:44:18.215] Unknown Cowardice Meng the Demented Miss
    [18:44:20.071] Meng the Demented's Cowardice fades from Meng the Demented
    [18:44:58.566] Meng the Demented gains Cowardice from Meng the Demented
    [18:45:09.892] Meng the Demented's Cowardice fades from Meng the Demented
    All I can find.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Check the uptime of Cowardice on me and some other raid members, i have around 45sec uptime while others have around 60sec.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Grounding soaks for it's full duration EVERY Cowardice applied on your party, your party is virtually immune against cowardice for this duration.
    Still not getting it.
    Last edited by Ryet; 2013-01-31 at 04:53 PM.

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    Ok so without a doubt it provides some usefulness, BUT is there a definitive answer on how effective it is? Does it just spare you or the raid? Does it soak 2 stacks or 20? I appreciate the info regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edlike View Post
    Ok so without a doubt it provides some usefulness, BUT is there a definitive answer on how effective it is? Does it just spare you or the raid? Does it soak 2 stacks or 20? I appreciate the info regardless.
    As far as I can tell: it soaks 2-4 stacks, glyphed or unglyphed.

    Additionally, the glyph doesn't seem to reflect any damage back to him.

    I should be able to get more info from further testing, but I can't see much more than this right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryet View Post
    Still not getting it.
    If you put down Grounding with Glyph, there won't be any new cowardice stacks on you, grounding will soak them without getting destroyed.

    Quote Originally Posted by edlike View Post
    Ok so without a doubt it provides some usefulness, BUT is there a definitive answer on how effective it is? Does it just spare you or the raid? Does it soak 2 stacks or 20? I appreciate the info regardless.
    With the Glyph it soaks any stacks generated by your Party for the duration.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    If you put down Grounding with Glyph, there won't be any new cowardice stacks on you, grounding will soak them without getting destroyed.

    With the Glyph it soaks any stacks generated by your Party for the duration.
    I've given you clear evidence that that's not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryet View Post
    I've given you clear evidence that that's not the case.
    then again, explain me how i managed to gain a lower uptime on Cowardice without stopping dps.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

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    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=10391&e=10916

    Wol is in french, Cowardice is "Lâcheté" and grounding is "Totem de glèbe". Go in "buff gain" and check the timeline for both of those. In the first cowardice phase I stack Cowardice, then drop grounding, 3-4sec later my Cowardice debuff fade, then for ~10-12sec I don't get any debuff, and exactly when grounding fade on me I get a new stack of Cowardice -> Grounding made my immune to the application of the debuff (debuff I had before still tick) for 15sec

    and the war in my group have exactly the same pattern, so it's indeed for all my party -> http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=10391&e=10916

    edit : that was with glyphed grounding totem, if not glyphed then totem get destroyed instantly
    Last edited by Bethan; 2013-02-01 at 07:09 AM.

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