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HoTW provides sustained damage and a powerful once a fight healing cd (at the loss of personal dps as if that mattered).
NV provides intermittant healing and burst dps.
As far as i am aware overall NV provides better DPS than HoTW in live. I am not sure after this change.
At the moment the only time i would pick HoTW is if an enrage timer was not the problem but the raid needed a one off powerful healing cd.
conversely for resto i almost always take HoTW for the dps ability and only take NV if i need further boost to burst healing (Hello Tsulong )
NV really isn't the ideal raid cooldown. Balance Druids don't provide that much to a raid group, which is a problem when it comes to 10 mans. There is no real reason to take sub par DPSer when you can as mentioned before take a Shaman etc. I am not saying druids are completely useless, I am just saying the spec takes effort to play really well and at times feels rather awkward, and now with the change to NV it gets worse. The only real thing that made druids a real hybrid (within one spec) was bearcat, which was basically killed. I know it isn't all doom and gloom, but from what I have experienced on the PTR, it just isn't fun, feels awkward, and the DPS capabilities is relatively meh. I just hope they make a few more adjustments to the spec.
Retribution Paladins burst is just as good, if not better than ours, why are they not being nerfed? :/
Last edited by snorecb; 2013-02-01 at 12:24 PM.
What the hell are you talking about?
there are single target fights that boomkins are not good at, but still do ok.
and there are multitarget fights where we are top 3 top 4,
and all of that with innervating others, healing, rebirthing, stampederoaring, massrooting, and so on.
I am so sorry to hear you sayingbecause this means you only see numbers, even though those mages sometimes die standing in shit pushing their casts.(and then boomkin rebirths them, always 1st on this honorable duty)The spec is already takes quite a bit of effort to play properly with very little reward, DPS wise. Yet you have faceroll classes like Mages etc. that do almost nothing yet push out the numbers.
Noone sane judges the quality of a raider only by DPS/DMG done.
If you re sincere it also means that your friends mages/locks are really good players, cos with the same item level I faceroll "mine"in my raid team.
Or maybe you re not playing boomkin very well.
Judging class by top parses is RIDICULOUS, especially when you dont belong to the top.
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SO you re saying that "effort" to play is making it a bad class to play?I am not saying druids are completely useless, I am just saying the spec takes effort to play really well and at times feels rather awkward, and now with the change to NV it gets worse. /
Isn't it that the effort and good results make you feel awesome?
Or you re saying that you d rather see boomkins using 2 buttons and top DPS charts,
how bout Blizz buffed us with some queing SS procs? storing lets say up to 10 of them? and perhaps make them proc on every other dot tick (instead a chance on crit)?
would it be nicer to play a totally OP class that uses 2 buttons? perhaps like this: tab macro2dots, tab macro2dots, tab macro2dots, SS SS SS SS SS SS SS SS SS?
Have you ever seen a paragon 10m world 1st HC last boss in Pandaria kills?
like for example HC Will? HC Sha?
Care to guess what was the only spec overrepresented in their 10 men?
I am sorry but I am always pissed if someone is implying there is something wrong with boomkin as a raiding spec.
I would not want Blizzard to make it easier to play, since it s not really that hard.
and it is nice to see myself as a good boomkin, with many others who simply cant play it well enough.
what do you mean by "and at times feels rather awkward"??? can you pls explain to let me flame a bit over that?
Last edited by mikoslav; 2013-02-01 at 01:06 PM.
Amen to that post above!
Anyway, even the average level boomkins are fine,
In the current 10 men normal [which is what most of raiders do anyway, since we re not all Lappes ]
boomkin is 4th overall DPS spec.
And this is average, which means that if you work harder than your fellow raiders, and you care to play better,
you should (and will) be in top 3 DPS specs overall. So this is by no means sub par raiding spec. PERIOD.
This is going to be good for the balance druids. Instead of being 3min glass cannons like we currently we are we will be able to spread out our "burst" dps more evenly. Should in turn be a dps gain. Works well for balance druid play style anyways. You'll be able to use this once inbetween your other 3min cd's which is awwwesome! Love these changes!
Results you linked mean only that boomkin is indeed a spec that is a bit more difficult to play well, and if you re not serious about it you will parse the bottom of the table.
Last edited by mikoslav; 2013-02-02 at 02:33 PM.
all this talk about numbers and nerfs and buffs is really sad. moonkin damage is fine and if you think "we're low" its because "you're low" and should spend less time looking at overall log statistics and analyze your personal dps logs. i think the problem is that moonkin dps is pretty straight forward in theory but requires quite a bit of finesse to maximize so people get frustrated with it. make less forums posts and get out there and practice.
Last edited by crunk; 2013-02-02 at 10:32 AM.
Anyways GC said they havent done any pure DPS tweaks on the PTR as of yet so fixes to AOE and sustained may be coming. Then again I wouldnt count on it.
I am sure that a lot of people would benefit more from practicing how to play and looking at their own logs instead of just looking at overall logs, but that has nothing to do with the changes to NV.
This change is still not as controllable as HTT or VE as the timing has to be pretty much on cd but now it has twice the uptime of those abilities. That double uptime makes up for a lot.
Whilst i would love for a bit more of a buff to maybe wrath damage i do know that my raidleader wants me to use balance less. this is not because of my dps as balance which is rarely last of the dps and WAY above what the other healers can do. It is because we wipe less when i am healing.
My point is balance dps is fine for the average raider (9/16 hc now 2 others very close to kills) and i speak as someone who has most balance gear reforged for resto.
As an officer and guild tactician i would be more likely to take a boomkin to raids with this NV change (even with the slight nerf to dps). before i would have prefered a spriest or dps shaman. Now i would be happy with all 3.
As healer i am rarely happy to do progression raids with no dps class with a decent healing cd. (10 man)
If boomkins, spriests and dps shaman were the top 3 dps specs i would want to take nothing but those classes as dps. blizz may say there is NO hybrid tax but there is a reason why these 3 aren't allowed to be top and a slight hybrid tax is most definitely justified.
If you want to say but i am DPS i want to be judged purely on DPS then u aren't playing your class properly.
I want to be judged on my DPS. I'm not a healer. Pretty sure I can play my spec properly. The healing is icing on a cake, but nerfing damage to buff healing/utility is still a nerf.
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