It's a fluff statement to be sure.
-the inital sale boost was around 4M right? All due to the predecessors reputation.
- sold around 7M in the first month i believe.
And what about the reamining 5M up until the end of the December? During this period the game was "enjoying" all type of bad reviews, hate on the forums, "Dissapointment of the Year" Awards by sites that months sooner said it was a great game ...
So i believe that D3 success wasnt dall due to D2. And maybe ..just maybe the game isnt as bad as claimed on forums like this and the official ones ( and some gaming sites .. probably the same people that visit those forums )
The reason why so many on the forums are committed to such a vision of D3 having failed is idd a matter that deserves a thread like this to discuss.
Isnt that the same phenomenon that u can see regarding WoWs success? That unending wish to see it die ( not just WoW but anything that has a Blizzard logo ). Popular things do atract a lot of negativity and sadly those "haters" are the most vocal on the forums and everywhere.
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Although i havent played it, there is I believe enough info to form a valid opinion.
To give my opinion on the new WOW xpac..... Ive played enough wow to know MOP is a complete disaster..... I visualized playing it in my head and it was bad.
Personally, I found that the de-emphasis on the gothic art style which had been prevalent in the first two games, combined with a very weak, nonsensical story and lackluster characters killed it for me. I don't care much about farming, online play, or the AH. What I used to love about Blizzard is the quality worlds and stories they delivered. But D3 just felt like an overly bright generic hack and slash game to me, with defeated bosses inexplicably brought back and lore being thrown out left and right. The ending of D2 and subsequent books left room for an amazing storyline, which Blizzard failed to capitalize on in the interest of turning a quick buck.
Mind you, that's my personal opinion, not "fact". I'm sure some folks thought angels turning into humans (a race spawned by the union of angel and demon, so that makes no sense) was cool, and maybe some folks enjoy blue mobs being harder to beat than lackluster boss fights. Maybe some folks think ponies and rainbows are better than the darker, grittier art style of the previous games. To each their own, but for me, D3 just missed the mark (except on the way skills are chosen--the skill/rune system was a cool one).
Now here are some quotes of "a guy"
"All that said though, the rest of the major stuff is terribly implemented, and the staff has decided that community communication is something they choose not to give a crap about. It took two weeks for them to acknowledge the auction house issues, and after their scheduled "auction house fix maintenance" that didn't do anything, there has been no "oops" post anywhere either. Making the game nigh unplayable for a lot of people does not make for very good reputation."
Those words are not from a lunatic on a forum somewhere. Nope those words are from a moderator of what is supposed to be a fan site of Diablo 3.
I rest my case.
This D3 forum is a JOKE in management and controlled by the hate boys who BULLY anyone around who ... simply likes this game.
here: you have an answer to your question OP.
A mod should moderate and at LEAST love the game he mods. Not joining the hate discussions with USELESS words like "terrible" "crap" "unplayable"... which aren't even build on sound reasoning.
Oh yeah, do not even DARE to mention Diablo 3 was sold 12 million times and create a thread about the PROOF the server only security worked or your threads get deleted and the user relayed to this "why the hate" thread.
Seriously. Diablo 3 is a great game and MILLIONS of people played THOUSAND of hours in it.
It was NEVER EVER "nigh unplayable" nor "crap", nor was its support "terrible" and ALL major features terribly implemented (sic).
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usually denotes the end of an argument, not the middle.I rest my case.
not a very good ratio.Seriously. Diablo 3 is a great game and MILLIONS of people played THOUSAND of hours in it.
When launched D3 up until Inferno was pretty good; damn good actually. Inferno, however, was a mess and really ruined the experience for a lot of people. Auction houses (both of them) were a brand new design and had constant problems too. Occasionally they still do which is unforgivable at this stage eight months later.
Anyway, it's a lot better now than it was but nonetheless Blizzard's touchstone phrase up until May was "We'll release it when it's ready." This wasn't ready or anything like ready to be honest so Blizzard has a lot of work to do--years in fact--to get that back. The fact that they over-promised to a great degree on things that were basic pieces of the older game (PVP largely) didn't help.
People felt cheated in a way by the mess at endgame on launch and with most close relationships it only takes one time to ruin things and generate a ton of hate and anger.
It's sad because I think the game is better than its reputation. But it wasn't, and still is, not as good as it should have been. I still play it a couple of hours every other week. And I'll likely buy the expansion when it comes out. People forget that while D2 was very good, the D2 that everyone remembers and played for years is the version available after LoD. If Blizzard wants to make it right, that's when it's most likely to happen.
My two cents anyway.
EDIT: One last thing. I've been playing for the last 5 months or so without purchasing anything whatsoever from either AH although I sell stuff there once in a while. It's a much better experience. Good drops don't happen often enough but if you haven't decked yourself out in AH stuff, upgrades do drop. It's a very slow thing which I assume is intended.
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As for moderation requiring love - I disagree. This is not a customer forum for a company so product loyalty is not a requirement but that's just my opinion in this case. I've been on a few fansites where moderators did not always come out in favour of a game that site or forum was created for. Especially if the game ended up as controversial. Just like D3 did and don't deny this: Diablo 3 is a very controversial game so it should not be a surprise that if over time debates end up including strongly negative or positive opinions because the moderate people have vanished.
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After playing D1 and D2 and loving them so much, I was pretty disappointed with D3. The problem for me is after finishing the story once, there's nothing left for me. Doing the same thing but harder wears thin and I couldn't' care less about virtual gear.
In fact IF anything, D3 took these older things like top down view and Trading from the old D games and now people complain...
I guess the next D4 game will be full 3d like in WoW (brevik did it with Hellgate, but clearly he lacked the financial back up of Blizzard).
D3 is a great game though for what it is : a hack& slash game with an in game trading system. Casual, fast play, fun and very very grindy ...
I think the newer generation would have been more pleased with full 3 D and a deleted replay of the old D series.
Change the loot system and get rid of the auction house would improve the game by leaps and bounds. At least it would for me.
Blizzard had it in their hands to use this as basis and address the systemic pitfalls of the predecessor while adding their own new stuff. Instead they chose to stick to a WoW'esque approach and toss everything else into the bin. This does not make sense to me because it was part of which made Diablo 2 interesting and something to be matched by competitors. Yes, I don't think the inclusion of crafting counts as itemization or even as trad-eoff.
The AH has been controversial like nothing else before in Blizzard games. While it is in fact not mandatory its benefits clearly make people gravitate towards it since the item system simple does not provide alternatives on its own. In fact if it did and allowed some more customization people may not be inclined to fault the AH for everything because let's be honest: The AH is still a better trading system than what the predecessors offered even if it is not perfect and moreover not the most ideal choice at all.
Basically they removed the competitive nature of the ladder system and effective the entire game itself. They simplified the itemization system and streamlined it to a level where the item game felt shallow and like roleplaying a trash magnate. On top of that they added the AH as the only real novelty to it which in addition to their redone monster challenge system based on gear checks posed a unique problem which they did try to alleviate over a time but it didn't help to cover the basic problems caused by their new approach.
The tragedy of this game is that it had so much potential to be that new reference which the ARPG genre had to be measured against once again instead they opted for hipsterity (that's a word now!) in order to please the vast masses and made it thus easier for competitors to find a reference of how an ARPG should not be. Quantitatively and technologically the game is a winner but in long-term gameplay quality it either has to literally make a huge leap of faith and become Diablo 3.5 or leave it to the laughably small competitors (laughably because right now D3 apologetics laugh at them) to carve out their own niches which is what they are doing. Frankly leaving gameplay innovation and conservation of the genre as creator of it in the hands of competitors is the most inexcusable thing they have done in my eyes at least.
Right now I can imagine that these competitors together have an active playerbase which dwarves that of Diablo 3 altogether which would be a first one for a Blizzard game. It's not making me hate Diablo 3 (I am the owner of a CE anyway) but rather making me sad.
Diablo 3 has a pretty good 30% retention rate in new public group forming (patch 1.03) which happens to show IN game.
12.000.000 players and 30% retention of those public groups: anyone can count.
SO D3 is pretty much the standard and will stay so as I don't think the H&S genre is loved by the majority of MMO players anyway.
And if you look at the activity of the competitors dropping extremely fast over days (not even weeks) you'll realise people don't fall for indie products. Add the Blizzard LONG term support for any of its product and you'll see that D3 is the only one that will be played with decent numbers in the long run.
And in no way is the engine of D3 amateurish.
I want to remind you that 12 Million copies sold as of Dec 31 is an incredible number and be sure it is on its way to 13 million, if not even passed already.
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And wtf is hand holding? The AH IS hand holding that is straight up hand holding like wth is that why would you even remotely say that?
Of course the game only begins right there as key hunting or going to ramp up your Paragon. It is GREAT when you find that unique legendary that fits your spec and class. And the moment it drops it is one of the most exciting moments.
You are not in a competition, just playing when you are in the mood and so the AH is just as handy, as trivial or as needed as you yourself want it.
D series have ALWAYS been about grinding AND trading. The fact that that choice now is even included safely in the game is not even a disadvantage.
Like some dude said D1,D2 were better because D3 replayed the same content after level X. Obviously the man never even touched the older D games, he, just like anyone else on the present day internet just wants to look cool for hating the next game.
I like D3 MUCH more than SC2 and D2 and I hardly enter Azeroth these days, so D3 is excellent if you like the game play.
Simple fact: the game sold an extra 5 million after its first launching period, that alone proves a lot of people don't trust the hate boys (just like COD, MOP, etc ...).
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He wants to join a forum bandwagon that simply is not present in sales numbers.
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