So why is the 3570k always reccomended?

[Majesticii]

Anyone here with a 8350 or a model that can be clocked to one. I'm dying to test this in the name of science.

[RicardoZ]

I'm curious as to how much FPS we're really talking about here at the end of the day. Let's say you take an OC 8350 Black Edition with a 660 Ti and go do a 25 man raid vs. a 3570k with the same graphics card...isn't there a lot of hair splitting going on here?

I'm coming from the PoV of somebody who knows very little about the intricacies of how processors work, admittedly. But I can go on YouTube and look up videos of people using AMD cpu's and running games perfectly, and find videos of people using Intel cpu's and running games perfectly. That's why I'm a little lost...what's the big deal if at the end of the day you can still play your games at a decent framerate using either processor?

Doesn't it eventually just come down to budget, preference, and brand loyalty?

[n0cturnal]

I'm curious as to how much FPS we're really talking about here at the end of the day. Let's say you take an OC 8350 Black Edition with a 660 Ti and go do a 25 man raid vs. a 3570k with the same graphics card...isn't there a lot of hair splitting going on here?

I'm coming from the PoV of somebody who knows very little about the intricacies of how processors work, admittedly. But I can go on YouTube and look up videos of people using AMD cpu's and running games perfectly, and find videos of people using Intel cpu's and running games perfectly. That's why I'm a little lost...what's the big deal if at the end of the day you can still play your games at a decent framerate using either processor?

When it comes to 25man raiding in WoW the AMD CPU would get destroyed by Intel. In other games the difference is a lot smaller, but WoW just thrives on single threaded performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...01&i=38.344.62 illustrates the point.

[inux94]

I've got a FX 6300, which is supposedly just as powerful for games. (With a GTX 670)

I'll test it once I get my case and start overclocking.

[Orlong]

I wouldnt recommend either of these 2 CPUs. Id much rather spend an extra measly 100 bucks and get a much more powerful i7 3770k

[n0cturnal]

I wouldnt recommend either of these 2 CPUs. Id much rather spend an extra measly 100 bucks and get a much more powerful i7 3770k

$100 for 1% performance increase in gaming? What a great idea.

[inux94]

Just did some benchmarks, Planetside 2 was from yesterday when the entire BRIT platoon attacked.

Metro 2033 it's on the introductory level, I'll try and see if I can get to the point where Tek Syndicate was:

All on max settings, 2560x1440 16x AA

2013-01-26 01:27:58 - PlanetSide2
Frames: 135 - Time: 604253ms - Avg: 25.754 - Min: 25 - Max: 27

2013-01-26 15:43:16 - Metro2033
Frames: 4177 - Time: 609556ms - Avg: 19.933 - Min: 10 - Max: 36

2013-01-22 16:04:05 - SC2
Frames: 32513 - Avg: 60.547 - Min: 0 - Max: 101

[RicardoZ]

When it comes to 25man raiding in WoW the AMD CPU would get destroyed by Intel. In other games the difference is a lot smaller, but WoW just thrives on single threaded performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...01&i=38.344.62 illustrates the point.

Sure because WoW in particular is designed for Intel/Nvidia technology, but still, I can show you videos of people getting 60+ fps in WoW with AMD cpus. At the end of the day the idea is still for there to be no choppy delay when you spin the camera. If an AMD can do that just as well as an Intel, I don't understand what the big deal is.

I'm still going with my intel i3 that I picked out in the other thread, but just because of price. If it were down to an i5 vs. an fx-6300 or something, I'd probably go with the AMD, just because for my purposes, there isn't enough advantage to warrant the extra spending.

[inux94]

WoW's engine is very outdated, it shouldn't ever be benchmarked IMO.

[Majesticii]

All on max settings, 2560x1440 16x AA

I'm going to be blunt here, but why do it on this resolution. Just blindly assuming everyone has a 1440p screen?
Redo @ 1080P 4xAA, i'm sure you'll have more people who can share data on that resolution.

WoW's engine is very outdated, it shouldn't ever be benchmarked IMO.

It's not outdated, it's constantly being modded and played by millions. That makes it highly relevant.

[stalkerzzzz]

When it comes to 25man raiding in WoW the AMD CPU would get destroyed by Intel. In other games the difference is a lot smaller, but WoW just thrives on single threaded performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...01&i=38.344.62 illustrates the point.

It would still be interesting to see how would the extra cores on the FX 8350 hold against the 3570k in WoW while streaming.

[inux94]

I'm going to be blunt here, but why do it on this resolution. Just blindly assuming everyone has a 1440p screen?
Redo @ 1080P 4xAA, i'm sure you'll have more people who can share data on that resolution.



It's not outdated, it's constantly being modded and played by millions. That makes it highly relevant.

Tek Syndicate did it on 2560x1440 if you didn't notice

[RicardoZ]

WoW's engine is very outdated, it shouldn't ever be benchmarked IMO.

Well it's still a fair way to measure cpu performance though, since it's a lot more cpu-demanding than most games. If you can max out WoW in Stormwind on a Saturday afternoon then you're probably doing fine. Both Intel and AMD cpu's can do this. That's why I think a lot of this debate is splitting hairs.

I would give the edge to Intel though, just because you won't HAVE TO overclock an Intel CPU to get that kind of great performance, thereby saving money on other things like cooling and better psu. But an AMD chip, you will absolutely have to OC in order to be able to do that, meaning you're going to have to invest in a better motherboard, psu, and cooling system, so eventually the savings will evaporate to the point where it's probably just better to have bought an Intel in the first place and saved yourself the trouble of having to buy/install all that extra gunk.

I'd be willing to pay the extra money up front if I can avoid having to go through a hassle and spend more money later. I want to take my computer in the mail, take it out of the box, turn it on, and play games. No fuss no muss.

[Majesticii]

Tek Syndicate did it on 2560x1440 if you didn't notice

But also 1080P. Also, PS2 is unsuitable for benchmarking. It has too many variables to reproduce consistent results. You need atleast an array of 10-20 playthroughs on each processor to get a valid result. Even then it's iffy.
I'd stick with games that have benchmarks. Like Metro / Crysis / Batman AC. That way we all have the same variables, and only the hardware differs.

[inux94]

But also 1080P. Also, PS2 is unsuitable for benchmarking. It has too many variables to reproduce consistent results. You need atleast an array of 10-20 playthroughs on each processor to get a valid result. Even then it's iffy.
I'd stick with games that have benchmarks. Like Metro / Crysis / Batman AC. That way we all have the same variables, and only the hardware differs.

1080p looks way too blurry on my monitor, I'm not going to do that.

I just threw PS2 in there because I had it.

Gate level:
2013-01-26 15:57:13 - Metro2033
Frames: 2135 - Time: 118654ms - Avg: 17.993 - Min: 12 - Max: 27

[Majesticii]

1080p looks way too blurry on my monitor, I'm not going to do that.

Are you kidding me. I don't want to be rude here but wtf.. This is a benchmark, who cares it looks blurry.
You want to compare 1080p results with 1440p results because otherwise you get a slight visual discomfort?
Some science..

I bet only 5% of the users here has a 1440p screen. So unless you test it at 1080p there is no need for you to run all these tests cause there is noone to compare it to.

[inux94]

I'm not here to satisfy your needs, I'm comparing the benchmarks between Tek Syndicate's 2560x1440 tests and my own.

[vesseblah]

WoW's engine is very outdated, it shouldn't ever be benchmarked IMO.

Wrong. How can you claim something using and gaining significant FPS benefit from DX11 mode as outdated when GW2 for example came out DX9 only?

Problem with WoW is that it can't be benchmarked fairly when it runs slowest in situations that are 100% out of control like in busy cities and 25man raids.

[n0cturnal]

I'm not here to satisfy your needs, I'm comparing the benchmarks between Tek Syndicate's 2560x1440 tests and my own.

Isn't that highly irrelevant since you have a different CPU and GPU?

[Majesticii]

I'm not here to satisfy your needs, I'm comparing the benchmarks between Tek Syndicate's 2560x1440 tests and my own.

Yes go for the highest resolution. That way there is the least posibility of a GPU bottleneck, and the highest probability you can compare results with fellow forumusers.
I'm done, before i get upset.