I wouldn´t mind it as much - if it wasn´t because that I had to repeat it all over with other characters to gain access to the same items. Problem is there are no other options to gaining rep with the factions, and same there are no other means of spending the vp you get (or minor coins for that matter). Wouldn´t be a big deal to me IF I could do alts by tabard fx.
Also for that matter if you aren´t raiding, and don´t like the daylies (or are done with them) there isn´t a whole lot left in the game to do. Compared to fx. the tbc daylies - yes only one area - you could actually advance something by doing them. From what I recall that is what they said about the krasaran daylies too and I was excited to do them then, but apparently that wasn´t the case except for the quest line.
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Being removed next patch.
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The word you want to use is "have" not "of".
You may have alot of stuff in your country, but we got Lolland.
Minus, it slows character progression down.
Big plus, it slows character progression down to prevent boredom and makes the world relevant again.
Active WoW player Jan 2006 - Aug 2020
Occasional WoW Classic Andy since.
Nothing lasts forever, as they say.
But at least I can casually play Classic and remember when MMORPGs were good.
But they're there this patch, right now - which is where the guy he's quoting is claiming to be having trouble finding a way to spend them, unless he's got a time machine running.
Next patch has rep gained from a raid, including LFR.
There's zero excuse to be having trouble spending VP, and that's without going into the fact that it takes klaxxi less than a week to get up to revered, at which point it would take over a month of VP capping to buy everything they offer.
No one's FORCING you to do anything.
Fair enough, however you have to understand that they're NOT forced, everything you can get from Dailies you can get from raiding, dungeons, and LFR. There is absolutely no reason to ever do any of the dailies the game has to offer if your end goal is to get epic gear.
If you want the sweet mounts they offer, you'll have to grind the rep. You're not forced to get those mounts in order to play, you're not forced to get exalted with the reps in order to raid.
BC? Those reps were forced, and you had to GRIND them. You COULDN'T raid TK or SSC until you got several reps to at least revered. MoP? There is no forced rep grind. The only things the reps reward are shitty epics you can get if your luck is bad and vanity things like mounts.
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Haven't done dailies in month. Still 494. Mad?
T: Stop fucking crying. Dailies ain't necessary to get gear. Just pug MSV normal or HoF normal... And don't start taht "But i r no harcore playr lol-. i don't raid lol." IT TAKES THREE HOURS FFS! Dedicate three hours of your life a week to get good gear in a game or don't. Either way. Stop fucking crying.
It's just blizzard slowly getting ready to open up a future cash shop. Don't like rep grinding? no problem $10 will get you exalted in seconds.
I camped out Scritch for the Peace Pipe 16 hrs a day so I could get my rep up faster. I never felt forced to do it. I just really, really wanted to have those profession recipes 1-2 days before anyone else.
After I did that, some days I'd spend 10 hrs fishing for Nat Pagle rep. I wasn't forced to do that either. I just wanted the maximum fastness.
The VP gear locked behind rep isn't forced. That gear isn't necessary to raid. It's just that people want to gear up faster. There should be a price for that expediency.
With most the gear when I played costing valor imo the rep grind wouldnt be to bad if the valor cap was 2k or so a week so I could get an item every weekish once exalted. I was quite bummed hitting that revered and finding out it would take 3-4 weeks of valor capping to get everything I needed per faction to up the ilvl. I suppose you could wait another patch or so hit BGs hard when you come back and just coast lfr off pvp ilvl. Though I havent played WoW for a few months now so they might have nerfed that idea.
lol the rep is not forced. if you want anything you must work toward it. i dont get why people think stuff should be handed to them for no effort. to those who want everything and don't want to do anything to earn it, don't you get a feeling of accomplishment, and or feel like the reward at the end of all the work u put in, makes that reward mean so much more?
Where i come from nothing is handed to you, if you want something earn it. I don't think wow should be any different. But there are many games out there that can give you instant gratification, just type in your god mode code, play for an hour, and gratz you win. If bliz keeps giving in to the people that want to log in and have every rep, mount, and bis gear, then i'm afraid wow won't be around another 5 years, let alone 2 more xpacks. People will log in get everything in a few hours, feel like they won and unsub til next patch or xpack.
So back to the question op asked rep grinding is not forced in any way. And the rep grinding that is here if you choose to do it is a plus.
Minus, because you shouldn't need to do things outside the raid to be able to use a currency earned from the raid.
(Item upgrades don't count, because they weren't present in 5.0 and won't be present in 5.2)
There isn't any forced rep grinding in MoP, so it isn't really a valid question
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Words to live by.
Pretty much. My major reason for quitting WoW was the lack of updated character models. The other reason was the extreme tedium of dailies. Hate them, lots. MoP made dailies even worse. The main things I enjoy about WoW are having lots of characters, large scale PvP, raiding with friends (10) and Roleplay (to a previous poster complaining about people not working hard enough in a RPG, this is what RPGs were founded upon - good story and being your character, not tedious success or challenging achievement). MoP has been the anti-alt expansion. Even if you only play one character it's too much. Big minus in my opinion.. truly sad considering how amazing the rest of the expansion is.
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"You hurt me long ago; my wounds bled for years. Now you are back, but I am not the same."
You're not being "forced" to do anything. That term gets tossed around far too loosely.
I am the one who knocks ... because I need your permission to enter.
Forced rep grinding would definately be a minus. Fortunately, we're not forced to grind reps. Also, you're a bit late for the "dailies /wrist" bandwagon.
Could you please tell me where in raiding, dungeons and LFR can I get the crafting patterns that are available via dailies?
Many people play for crafting/the economy etc. The entire game isn't raiding.
That said I agree it's optional, but it's a game, everything is optional. That doesn't mean you aren't excessively limited in what you can do if you don't do dailies/don't want to quest/can't log in frequently i.e. a basically daily basis/or have disjointed blocks of playtime etc.