Just came back to MoP, my first impressions

[Shampro]

Whats the issue people have with Pandaren? Does is make you feel like less of a man? Thats just a pathetic arguement to be honest.

I find them to be a quite cool and charismatic race, and atleast learn a bit more about thier lore, saying ''lolsss pandas'' doesn't make a good point at all.

Also you actually bought and expac called pandaria without knowning you''ll interact with Pandarens? Wat?

[Ethes]

3- This isn't Vanilla anymore. The game has changed from keep 1 char to experience new things to don't get bored. Well, you can earn more valor points on alts, but it seems there is a weekly cap os 1000 VPs, and i've read that items cost something around 1350. So it could take 2 to 3 monthas to get an average set of gear to a character.

That is so true, as craftable items don't exist. Neither do BoE epics or it is impossible to upgrade your gear (at the moment). Valor point gear is ment to be an upgrade for you you're not getting out of your raids. Stop treating it like your main source of gear. On my paladin, I got 3 pve epics. The darkmoon trinket, the craftable chest and the craftable gloves. Apart from that I've got myself a pvp necklace (epic) and in a few days I'll make an epic OH with my alt (scribe). Next reset I will also be able to buy a pve necklace from Klaxxi, or maybe a different pve epic. So within 2 resets I went from 90 in quest gear to approx. item level 472, which is more than enough to start raiding.

You can seriously get gear in about a gazillion ways, so I don't see why you're complaining! Maybe you should spent some more time leveling and some less on the forums. At which point you'll actually know from personal experience what your talking about!

[Ettan]

Also you actually bought and expac called pandaria without knowning you''ll interact with Pandarens? Wat?

I thought we where going to slaughter them, invade their lands, mount their heads on pikes, integrate (enslave) their people into the horde/alliance.
That sort of thing. I did not imagine that we where going to help them farm.

[Kangodo]

1- The last thing I did before quitting wow was leveling from 80 to 85, so I remember it took way less time in Cata than it's taking in MoP

2- Helping farmers was an example of how boring and dull the storyline is in MoP. From helping monks in Jade forest to fighting evil taurens and Kun Lai and black manifestations of Lorelol, the story doesn't fit the world of warcraft universe as much as the previous expansions did.

3- This isn't Vanilla anymore. The game has changed from keep 1 char to experience new things to don't get bored. Well, you can earn more valor points on alts, but it seems there is a weekly cap os 1000 VPs, and i've read that items cost something around 1350. So it could take 2 to 3 monthas to get an average set of gear to a character.

1. Then I guess we just experienced it differently.

2. So you counter my "most zones aren't about Pandaren" by agreeing with it..
And how do you mean: "the story doesn't fit the warcraft universe"?
Did Arthas and the Scourge fit the Warcraft universe when they started it in Warcraft 3?
Pandaria is a part of the Warcraft-universe and that means it does fit

3. No, you could do heroics and upgrade a single piece or two with valor and enter LFR (or do normal raids.)
If you want to be full epic on alts within three weeks than you have the wrong game.

[Konker]

Do you like dailys? Because if so you're in for a treat!

And not just any treat - Triple Chocolate Chocolate Hot Fudge Chocolate Chip Brownie Pudding Cake™ - ala mode. And a tall cold glass of milk.

If you like dailies.

[Wildmoon]

How about just quit again? People who are enjoying the game don't really care about it.

[bionics]

If you don't like it, don't play. It's as simple as that.

[Ineko]

I forget where I heard it but apparently if you were racing to 90 it took about 2 hours less than the original 80-85 when Cata first hit. Even if it does take longer it only took me 3 days to get 90, I was only playing about 6 hours a day so nothing crazy either.

[Robles]

Take Wrath of the Lich King. The lich king himself was only part of the lore. We had Yogg Saron storyline, Malygos storyline, Wyrmrest storyline, etc.

Sha, Panda, THunder King, Zandalari.

[bionics]

This is the most insipid argument in my opinion:

2- Too much Pandas related lore

Some people might think it's cool to have an entire expansion dedicated to the pandaren and their land. At least for now, I'm really bored to be helping countless farmers and other pandas, in a lore that doesn't really appeal to me, in a land that has nothing to do with world of warcraft. Yeah, imo, a chinease themed expansion doesn't fit wow imho."

The hell were you expecting, man? Why does "chinease themed expansion" not fit but glowing spaceships from Draenor and red, impact-crater ridden, desert Mars-esque terrain are? Just ad hominem BS arguments. If anything, the Chinese themed expansion is more befitting of WoW considering the antiquated look and feel of the architecture and the nature/appearance of the Mogu.

[torterra275]

Sha, Panda, THunder King, Zandalari.

Nope still only one thing, and one thing only.

/sarcasm

Addressing your points though:
1) Leveling shouldn't be faceroll, enjoy the storyline, its MUCH better then Cata's imo and is not too long like WotLK.
2) See above.
3) Agree here a bit, though blizzard is working it on. Will be much better if blizzard puts flying at 85 once you have a 90, should come last patch if it follows WotLK trends.
4) I don't PvP aside from the occasional random BG, though I have not noticed more bots than usually (during cata)

[Beefhamer]

Take Wrath of the Lich King. The lich king himself was only part of the lore. We had Yogg Saron storyline, Malygos storyline, Wyrmrest storyline, etc.

Man I must have imagined the Mantid and Klaxxi story arcs, the Mogu, Wrathion, the Titans, the Sha and potentially some Old Gods mixed in there as well. MoP is not centered around Pandaren only. If you think that you are just plain stupid.

[Kangodo]

The hell were you expecting, man? Why does "chinease themed expansion" not fit but glowing spaceships from Draenor and red, impact-crater ridden, desert Mars-esque terrain are? Just ad hominem BS arguments. If anything, the Chinese themed expansion is more befitting of WoW considering the antiquated look and feel of the architecture and the nature/appearance of the Mogu.

It's because some people think that Warcraft 1 to 3 are lore and World of Warcraft (which is basically Warcraft 4) suddenly isn't real lore.

"Oooh, we never had this in Azeroth so it doesn't belong here!"
I wonder how many people said that same thing when we suddenly got the undead in WC3.

[Beefhamer]

It's because some people think that Warcraft 1 to 3 are lore and World of Warcraft (which is basically Warcraft 4) suddenly isn't real lore.

"Oooh, we never had this in Azeroth so it doesn't belong here!"
I wonder how many people said that same thing when we suddenly got the undead in WC3.

Actually most people thin WC3 only is the lore. People tried to say Deathwing was a minor character.

[Grimord]

Take Wrath of the Lich King. The lich king himself was only part of the lore. We had Yogg Saron storyline, Malygos storyline, Wyrmrest storyline, etc.

Now you have the Mogu and the Thunder King, the Jinyu, the Klaxxi and the Sha. Though, I gotta say, the whole "too many pandas" mantra hasn't been sung in mmo-champ since the late beta days so kudos to you for necroing that trend.

[bufferunderrun]

1- Takes too long to level up

2- Too much Pandas related lore

3- It seems to be VERY alt unfriendly

4- Guildmates complaining about PvvP non stop

1) For the first character i think that the levelling is ok but for alts it become boring and tedious
2) Well it's an xpack based on pandas, like wotlk was based on the LK and he keep popping up the entire levelling, or cata with the entire story filled of dragons
3) Yes it is and i don't know why they come up with this change, i understand keeping thing a little difficult for your first character so i've appreciated the no fly policies or even the daily crapfest but honestly there is no excuse to not let alt fly around or let them championing a faction with a boa tabard ulockable only when your main is exalted.
4) Yes this problem is going on since wrath

[checking facts]

Take Wrath of the Lich King. The lich king himself was only part of the lore. We had Yogg Saron storyline, Malygos storyline, Wyrmrest storyline, etc.

there isn't a single pandaren raid. 99% of the mobs you fight are not pandaren either. believe it or not, the pandaren are quite a small part of MoP's lore. it's all about mogu, mantid and the sha.

[Rheckameohs]

I wholeheartedly agree with 1 and 3. Getting my warrior from 85 to 90 was downright painful, though it might have something to do with going for the Loremaster achievement. Even so, I wasn't too impressed with the quest design. I have a paladin and a death knight alt, and after getting the former to 90 and really experiencing just how unfriendly this expansion is for people with alts, I've decided to leave my death knight at 85 until the XP requirements for 85-90 are nerfed.

[Armourboy]

I wholeheartedly agree with 1 and 3. Getting my warrior from 85 to 90 was downright painful, though it might have something to do with going for the Loremaster achievement. Even so, I wasn't too impressed with the quest design. I have a paladin and a death knight alt, and after getting the former to 90 and really experiencing just how unfriendly this expansion is for people with alts, I've decided to leave my death knight at 85 until the XP requirements for 85-90 are nerfed.

See I don't get the issue with leveling. Leveling in this expansion has been a tons better than it was in Cata to me, with the exception of the limited amount of 5 mans. Now if you want to bring up the level 90 stuff, I'll buy that, as up until recently it was very alt unfriendly. I have level 13+ 85's, currently have 3 90's and most of the rest are 87+ and I don't dread maxing them out nearly as much as I did with Cata. Once you figure out how to jump the zones and do the quests you like, its really not that bad. I skip most of Jade forest and Valley so that I can spread things out and take different approaches every time.

[cywang86]

I wholeheartedly agree with 1 and 3. Getting my warrior from 85 to 90 was downright painful, though it might have something to do with going for the Loremaster achievement. Even so, I wasn't too impressed with the quest design. I have a paladin and a death knight alt, and after getting the former to 90 and really experiencing just how unfriendly this expansion is for people with alts, I've decided to leave my death knight at 85 until the XP requirements for 85-90 are nerfed.

Should've gotten the BoA weapons from archaeology and dread waste. You'd be killing stuffs soooo much faster.

In fact, you should spend an afternoon getting archaeology from 0 to 600, dig up the spear, and upgrade it before item upgrade is taken out in 5.2 (seriously, a 471 2h for 85 that lasts till LFR? yes please)

As for point 1, keep in mind that you HAD TO level in twilight highlands back in cata, and that place is atrocious for any 84, and lasts for forever as long as the previous zones combined.