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    That a nonsense for me since we are all human. I can hate someone white because i'm white.. but i can't hate someone black because i'm racist ? Come on !

    It 2 differents thing. If i hate you for your skin color i'm racist that a fact. If i hate you because your a jerk than i'm not !
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    I've done the forums things before on other sites and usually somewhere along the lines somebody will try to label me a racist. Over the years I've grown to accept it (dont really think I am though). I've never hurt somebody over race, hell I still hold a door open for somebody other than my race, I treat them absolutely the same irl but I am a lot more wary of some races compared to others. I guess what it stems down to is being a realist that acknowledges some races are prone to violence, drugs, and general mayhem. Don't really know what I'm trying to get out of this but I'm tired of others thinking racist people are bad. There is many degrees of racism, please don't lump all of us together and dismiss an individual so easily because he/she doesn't think like you.
    It's never wise to make broad sweeping generalizations about someone you've never met. The connotation for racism is really seated in a very few very far to the right individuals, these groups are extremely pro their own race, and every race has a group that does this.

    Day to day habits that each of us employ are a product of where we live and our life experiences. I am black, male, hetero, and as I've gotten older becoming more spiritual. If you take only the part of me that is black and say "oh well he must smoke weed, like rap music, have been to jail at least once, has aids, hates white people, wants to rob me, wants to have sex with white women, likes chicken, eats watermelon, stinks cause he doesn't wear deodorant, can't read, can't understand math, must be physically gifted to make up for his mental challenges, possibly well endowed, yada yada yada" . To be honest I couldn't care less, I know I have lots of stigmas against me as soon people see me and the relationships I have are with folks that were not held hostage by their cultural fears and ignorance.

    Fundamentally, I see harboring a racist view only limits my understanding for anything. For what I do I need clear visibility so that I can account for many, many , many, many different factors.

    Is being racist worth handicapping your best decision making? or Is compromising your best decision making ability really a big deal?

    lets take this a step further
    If racism or for that matter theism or any philosophy for governing the aggregate and the electorate really a big deal?

    Yes. Emphatically yes!

    Why?

    Its easy to stop thinking beyond our personal means since our tactile senses only experience what we can experience, example my experience is only comprehended by myself where no one else can know that as I know it, thus my decision only affects me.

    when we all do it, anything really, then as a community we employ a group think that says this is the best way to do a thing...Do this enough and you've established a loose method of governing and obviously not everyone is doing the same thing so you will inevitably create out groups that coalesce to bring change to the electorate and the aggregate.

    Without those out groups, then the electorate and the aggregate sprawl. Sprawl leads to deviation and misunderstanding because the vessel for communication in this highly macro example is the human brain, speech, and culture. If you ever read into superstitions or the origin of holidays, then you'll gain better understanding of the damage sprawl has over time from generation to generation.

    We walk down a road that has been traversed a million billion times, should we believe a thing because we have always believed a thing? where the counter argument: Does reinventing the wheel make the wheel more useful?

    Sometimes looking for a change in fundamental understanding can and does promote a shift in the paradigm.

    Racism is important, its a big deal, because if it did not exist then we lose impetus to move away from the aggregate and the electorate, we lose our impetus to coalesce and impede sprawl, we lose our drive to shift paradigm.

    The best thing we have with the current generation is that this group of kids is very likely to challenge conventional wisdom, because of their success (see paradigm shift), in finding a smarter (see better decision making)way to things.

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    "Don't really know what I'm trying to get out of this but I'm tired of others thinking racist people are bad. There is many degrees of racism, please don't lump all of us together and dismiss an individual so easily because he/she doesn't think like you"
    This like particulair made me laugh toghether with your post.

    There's nothing good about racism as its pretty much a gesture out of hate, How does anything good come from that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    Has nothing to do with. They grow up in culture where these things are cool. It's cool to ditch school, smoke buds, slang rocks, pimp ho's, etc. Being poor has nothing to do with it. Made up so liberal whites feel better about themselves. I've lived in the "hood" and trust me the youngsters aren't sitting around saying "damn this society is so hard to live, I'm gonna go break into a house". It's not how it works. They want the money from the video's not the money you earn when you go to college for 4 years rack up 30-60k of loans and only make 45k/yr.

    Europeans might have a different view cause honestly I don't think their black communities are half as bad as they are in US. Just google ghetto fights for about 5mins and you get a REAL view of what its like instead of fake unreal view you possess.
    If you grew up in that environment, you'd be the same. It has nothing to do with race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMF View Post
    Not at all. It's about embracing the reality we live in and accept that some races are more likely to commit crimes and behave improperly/rude than others.
    And socioeconomics have nothing to do with this? Take a random black guy and a random white guy from below poverty level, middle class, upper-middle class, and the wealthy class, and compare their behaviors. Crime rates have more to do with homelessness, poverty, and the atmosphere of impoverished neighborhoods than race by a long shot.

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    It seems a lot of people are confusing racism (which is inherently negative) with stereotyping (which isn't necessarily negative but can be).

    Everyone stereotypes, not everyone is racist.
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    No it isnt. Everyone can see what other "cultures" have brought into the civilised Europe.
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    Depends if you call me racist when taking calculated risks. If I have to make a decision, yes skin colour will come in mind if I don't know someone well. Socially or otherwise (I believe socially) that skin colour is more/less likely to do X than another skin colour. I'd be a fool to not consider it. On these boards you may not be called racist for that, but elsewhere you often are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    Has nothing to do with. They grow up in culture where these things are cool. It's cool to ditch school, smoke buds, slang rocks, pimp ho's, etc. Being poor has nothing to do with it. Made up so liberal whites feel better about themselves. I've lived in the "hood" and trust me the youngsters aren't sitting around saying "damn this society is so hard to live, I'm gonna go break into a house". It's not how it works. They want the money from the video's not the money you earn when you go to college for 4 years rack up 30-60k of loans and only make 45k/yr.

    Europeans might have a different view cause honestly I don't think their black communities are half as bad as they are in US. Just google ghetto fights for about 5mins and you get a REAL view of what its like instead of fake unreal view you possess.
    I go to the ghetto's, projects, warming centers, and shelters on a daily basis due to my job. Seems to me that the white ghettos and the black ghettos have the exact same problems with drug addiction/dependence, prostitution, lack of education, violence, and neglect.

    I would be willing to go so far as to say that being poor as a LOT to do with it. That and severe mental illness seems to be very pervasive among the indigent, white or black.



    And yes, looking over your posts, yes you are racist, yes it's a big deal, and yes you should feel ashamed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    And socioeconomics have nothing to do with this? Take a random black guy and a random white guy from below poverty level, middle class, upper-middle class, and the wealthy class, and compare their behaviors. Crime rates have more to do with homelessness, poverty, and the atmosphere of impoverished neighborhoods than race by a long shot.
    This exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    If you get on a bus, and you see 10 white people, is it racists to say "there are ten white people on the bus."

    If, per capita, black people commit more crime than white people, is it racist to say "black people commit more crime per capita than white people."

    When the fuck did it become racist to point out facts? This mindset actually perpetuates racism.
    I don't think it's necessarily racist to say that, but when it's black people commit more crime per capita than white people insinuating it's because they are black it might be. Skin color isn't even the most important variable in the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    Would a true racist person have a filipino wife?
    Sure, yeah, lots of people are racist against only specific groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    I think you mark anybody that has anything negative to say about another race as a racist. Life must be fun painting with such broad strokes.
    I'd say that's generally true, although categorizing people as "a racist" doesn't really work that well. I'd rather point to a specific action and say, "that's racist". When you run down black people, that's racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    I guess what it stems down to is being a realist that acknowledges some races are prone to violence, drugs, and general mayhem.
    This quote right here is why you're a labelled a racist. This is a patently false statement. While certain genetic factors(that have nothing to do with race) can have an impact on an individuals tendencies, the environment they are raised in has a much greater impact on someone's moral views. I think people are dismissing you based solely on the fact that you are showing a total lack of knowledge, logic and education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malkazam View Post
    That a nonsense for me since we are all human. I can hate someone white because i'm white.. but i can't hate someone black because i'm racist ? Come on !

    It 2 differents thing. If i hate you for your skin color i'm racist that a fact. If i hate you because your a jerk than i'm not !
    there's a difference between hating someone that is white, and hating someone because they are white. it has nothing to do with being racist.

    If I sit here and say I think black people are more likely to commit robbery, that doesn't make me racist, it makes me someone who is stereotyping. It's like saying all asians are good at math, it's not racist it's STEREOTYPING.

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    I keep an open mind when it comes to perceptions, because often enough many of the "facts" people spew out are nonsense, nothing more then something they've heard from their dad.

    That said, I don't like the immigration laws in the U.K. / E.U. because of the statistics that follow them. As far as I recall, and if I can find the report i'll dig it up and link it, in 2005 a report was published into immigration in the U.K. and it revealed that 67% of immigrants would be on Jobseekers or the Welfare System within 6 months, and of that 35% would never come off the welfare system in some form or another.

    Because of this, I personally believe that we should kick out most* immigrants from the U.K. and close our borders. We should operate a much stricter system and we need to make this country more British.

    Now, many people would claim that is a racist angle to take, but I don't personally believe so because I'm not doing it due to their skin colour, nationalities or beliefs. I'd go as far as saying I'd kick a lot of British Citizens out as well, but I can hardly deport people from my own country, to another nation, where I could deport immigrants to their home nations.

    Does this make me a racist, or a realist? I don't consider that racist, but racism and what people perceive as racism is a dynamic line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocobo606 View Post
    there's a difference between hating someone that is white, and hating someone because they are white. it has nothing to do with being racist.
    Got to agree here. It depends on why you dislike someone. If you so happen to have been beaten to shit by a Black Man, I can understand you may be a little worried, but that is still no reason to label every Black Man.

    Hating someone who is Black = Not Racist

    Hating someone because they're Black = Racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malkazam View Post
    That a nonsense for me since we are all human. I can hate someone white because i'm white.. but i can't hate someone black because i'm racist ? Come on !

    It 2 differents thing. If i hate you for your skin color i'm racist that a fact. If i hate you because your a jerk than i'm not !
    Some people are also racist against their own " race" may sound stupid but i heard of it! Not saying its a common occourence but it isn't allowed to harrass people with that either even though you share the same skin color.

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    Is this a Euro/Asian racism or real racism? 'Cause you can talk to a white dude in France who thinks a white dude in Austria is a different race than him. You can talk to a Chinese person in Beijing who thinks some farmer across the mountains is a different race than him. Or you can talk to some white dude in Maine who only sees black people on TV and thinks black people are all criminal welfare recipients. The former is silly nationalism/tribal crap, the latter is silly racism, they're both equally stupid, but I hate when non-native English speakers get the two confused.

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    If you carry a gun.. no not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    It really means at what level, and form of racism you take.

    Personally I define racism as: You loathe another person because of their nationality or skin colour.

    To me, if you find a Black Women (For example) not as a attractive as a White Women, that to me isn't racism, nor is the preference to be treated by someone who is the same colour as you. I think it is extremely stupid, closed minded and ignorant, but not racist.
    That makes very little sense, you can't choose what genetic traits you are attracted to because they are developed environmentally without personal input or control, it's not even in the same league as ignorance or racism. As for being treated by someone who's the same colour, that is racist and closed-minded. It's making the assumption that somebody of another race is less able to fulfill the task. Your implication that the two are the same is misguided and judgemental, I'm not saying this from the perspective of someone who is offended or finds other races unattractive.
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    If you don't let racism influence (or not to much atleast) your choices and judgement AND you keep it for yourself than I see no problem with racism.

    It's when you hurt other people with your view on racism that it begins to form a problem...

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    I think the old argument of:

    If you are walking down the street and see a group of blacks do you cross to the other side or otherwise do something to protect yourself... and is that racist... is the fine line.

    You can be a racist assuming they will mug you or be correct statistically that they are probably best to avoid. It's a hard thing to overcome in reality.
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