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    Quote Originally Posted by helmaroc View Post
    Why does no one take socio-economic issues into account. The race is not born bad. It is the society a group of people are brought up in that's crap and it all stems from history and past issues. When you start from the bottom, good luck making your way up to the top.

    Here is something I never got, how come White people don't get judged as a whole when one white person does something but when it's the other way around shit hits the fan and the entire race is going to be judged.
    Lol I don't know... but I have noticed that whites are less likely to be judged by the actions of one person on a whole as often as blacks are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Sure it was a business venture, as said before, it was not profitable for the Europeans to do the dirty work most of the time because sub Sahara Africa is an environmental hell hole filled with lions and tigers and malaria. And Europeans had no built up immunity to any other nasty pathogens that inhabit the continent.

    What colonization?
    Often times Europeans powers would just go in with an army, kill a few natives, and claim the land as their own, leaving a few mining companies behind. Almost all European settlement was on the coast. The only time I can remember Europeans spending extensive amounts of time and resources in central Africa was when the Belgians under Leopold II went into the Congo and made it even more of a living hell for a couple decades.
    Google "Scramble for Africa".

    Either you are ignorant to the history itself, or you know about history and you're blatantly diminishing it. Because it can't be argued against, and it keeps the accurate and negative image of "Whites in Africa" alive. It's painfully obvious that you think colonization is something along the lines of something extreme like "wide scale murder", as what you tried to compare it to were a few things that make up a greater definition of "what colonization was." But in a downplaying fashion. While lying that almost all European settlement was along the coast. Because even the most pedestrian of scholars and students know that they colonized every single country (because whites drew up the incompatible borders that didn't exist before they got there) but Liberia and Ethiopia.

    I meant to say this earlier, too. Some history books muddy the waters when it comes to how the people were taken, but most books these days don't even remotely attempt to do such a thing. Because most books, that are read by all grade levels, outright say that they were traded by a few nations. The whole "Baaaw! They're lying on us!" is just a pervasive meme that whites on the low end of the spectrum like to blow out of proportion and parrot. In order to put the discussion in their favor by disproving an exaggeration that they tout as "the norm".

    Also, to drive home the fact that you know squat about the continent, and rely on comfortable, bigoted white, misconceptions/ignorance....

    "What indigenous tigers were roaming around Africa back then?"


    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Lol I don't know... but I have noticed that whites are less likely to be judged by the actions of one person on a whole as often as blacks are.
    Because whites are a collective when it comes to the good things, but are individuals when it comes to the bad. The opposite being the hypocritical view that the loud and problematic (but miniscule) sub-sect of the population hold towards non-whites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I don't get the race and presentation view of things. Race has nothing to do with presentation and I am wary of anyone with ill presentation, race doesn't play a part.
    If a white guy was dressing all gangsta with a bandana on, his pants all baggy, and walked with a strut, I'd probably find it hilarious.

    If a hispanic guy was wearing the same exact thing, I'd find it a lot more intimidating. Mostly because through my experiences in life I've had more problems with hispanics than white guys and there are far fewer of them. I've even walked past the welfare block of town (which is the busiest street IN town), only to get threatened by the hispanic guy next door simply for looking over at him briefly.

    As I said before, I try to keep an open mind. I would never treat ANYBODY differently based on my initial impression of their race. I do not consider myself a racist because I do not "hate" any particular race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electromatt View Post
    Blame white people for slavery
    government offers reimbursements to black people
    black people become dependent on government
    black people are slaves again.

    seems to be working so far in the U.S....
    Yes because receiving money from the government restricts your freedom. Its not like you could get a job with pay of your own choosing or anything.

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    I'd say being a racist is a big deal. Racists are irrational people and are therefore unpredictable. It means you judge people on the way they look. I'd rather judge people by their actions.

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    Let's say that 95% of gypsies i see in my normal day are just slacking off, stealing, skipping school and generally misbehave. The rest 5% here in slovakia are normal people. So is that racism that i hate gypsies or just pure use of logic and math? Yeah most of them take social security checks that are higher than my salary in IT as admin and they never went to school, never worked in their whole life and get to retire with inanely high retirement funds. Would you hate them too?
    As for other races, i love asians, hispanics, indians etc, i love diversity, but when i learn that over 90% of some community is up to no good, i start to make prejudice about them better to rely on math than to think everyone is sweet little angel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauier View Post
    Let's say that 95% of gypsies i see in my normal day are just slacking off, stealing, skipping school and generally misbehave. The rest 5% here in slovakia are normal people. So is that racism that i hate gypsies or just pure use of logic and math? Yeah most of them take social security checks that are higher than my salary in IT as admin and they never went to school, never worked in their whole life and get to retire with inanely high retirement funds. Would you hate them too?
    As for other races, i love asians, hispanics, indians etc, i love diversity, but when i learn that over 90% of some community is up to no good, i start to make prejudice about them better to rely on math than to think everyone is sweet little angel.
    Lol i noticed you left our blacks for your love of every other race.

    Anyway, I doubt 95% of gypsies are x way, more to the point you've seen so many or heard about so many you're going to now pass judgement on them all. 90% what a ridiculous number...

    Yes you are irrational and you're not relying on math but made up on the spot statistics, which isn't mad, it's fluffy made up math which holds no ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Cascade View Post
    I'd say being a racist is a big deal. Racists are irrational people and are therefore unpredictable. It means you judge people on the way they look. I'd rather judge people by their actions.
    They sound very predictable! They don't like them black folks, always sneaking around stealing their tell-o-visions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Lol i noticed you left our blacks for your love of every other race.

    Anyway, I doubt 95% of gypsies are x way, more to the point you've seen so many or heard about so many you're going to now pass judgement on them all. 90% what a ridiculous number...

    Yes you are irrational and you're not relying on math but made up on the spot statistics, which isn't mad, it's fluffy made up math which holds no ground.
    I'm a very liberal person and hold no racist misconceptions to the best of my knowledge. However, as someone who grew up in East-Central Europe I can honestly say that the gypsy/romani population is the absolute plague of the region. That 95% estimate is about right.
    I tend to come to the defense of anyone who's being wrongly judged based on their skin colour, but in their case I just can't. It's a very specific regional issue and I don't think it translates well into the notion of racism as a whole. It's just... different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Yes because receiving money from the government restricts your freedom. Its not like you could get a job with pay of your own choosing or anything.
    yes it does because it makes you relent on the government. when you become reliant you become a slave to what you are reliant on The only people that are truly free are the ones who learn to be self reliant

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    You are free to think however you want about each race, just don't go around causing harm to them.

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    I don't see any issue with being a little racist so long as you arn't running around preaching about killing other races or otherwise being obnoxious about it.

    Just like I don't see anything wrong with being of a certain political viewpoint, being gay, having diabetes, being canadian, etc etc.
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    I think it's okay as long as your nor expressing it. If theres a little flicker of racism deep inside you then yeah its ok. But if you dream about pulling someone of a different race behind a truck than yeah it's bad. It's not a bad thing to judge a person based on the eay they act/look inside you head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Lol i noticed you left our blacks for your love of every other race.

    Anyway, I doubt 95% of gypsies are x way, more to the point you've seen so many or heard about so many you're going to now pass judgement on them all. 90% what a ridiculous number...

    Yes you are irrational and you're not relying on math but made up on the spot statistics, which isn't mad, it's fluffy made up math which holds no ground.
    You obviously are NOT from eastern slovakia, because you would not be saying this bullshit you are saying right now. I dare you to ask anyone from eastern slovakia what they think about gypsies, how they live, behave. You obviously was not in primary school where gypsies (brother and sister) just did it on school table during lunch break, obviously, and funny thing is this is normal for them. So go live your life in bubble called USA, i live near their slums.
    They burned down our historic building. They build their shacks without permit wherever they want, they steal electricity, use rivers as carwash.
    And last but not least, i have to listen from stupid americans or others how racists and illogical we are, i dare you to fucking live here for 10 years, pussy much?
    From all the working people i meet during my work shift, i've seen 1 gypsy working, and other one is my neighbor mailman, and that's about it, and i've seen hundreds of white people in work, so yeah i do the math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauier View Post
    You obviously are NOT from eastern slovakia, because you would not be saying this bullshit you are saying right now. I dare you to ask anyone from eastern slovakia what they think about gypsies, how they live, behave. You obviously was not in primary school where gypsies (brother and sister) just did it on school table during lunch break, obviously, and funny thing is this is normal for them. So go live your life in bubble called USA, i live in slums.
    So all first world countries must be bubbles then. Maybe the issue stems more from the fact you live in a slum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    So all first world countries must be bubbles then. Maybe the issue stems more from the fact you live in a slum...
    I think you completely missed the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevermore View Post
    I think you completely missed the point.
    What, the point that people are going to act X way if you live in a poverty-stricken part of basically any country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nevermore View Post
    I think you completely missed the point.
    The point is... what, exactly? That if you live in a slum where people behave poorly that racism becomes acceptable and correct? I used to live in a shitty part of a poor city that had high crime rates and enormous high school dropout rates - would it have been fine for me to settle on virulent racism at that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    What, the point that people are going to act X way if you live in a poverty-stricken part of basically any country?
    The point being that it's not specific to the "poverty-stricken" parts of these ECE countries, it's the same everywhere.

    It's difficult talking about the gypsy problem in this specific region, with people who are from other parts of the world, simply because they wouldn't understand.
    It's not a racism issue. Racism is a bias, racism is a false assumption. However when literally every single person who belongs to a certain ethnic group behaves as the absolute vermin of mankind, you can't call it racism any more. It becomes a valid observation.
    I don't believe these people are inferior in any way by nature, but it's their own little separate society that makes them into what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevermore View Post
    It's difficult talking about the gypsy problem in this specific region, with people who are from other parts of the world, simply because they wouldn't understand.
    It's not a racism issue. Racism is a bias, racism is a false assumption. However when literally every single person who belongs to a certain ethnic group behaves as the absolute vermin of mankind, you can't call it racism any more. It becomes a valid observation.
    Substitute "the Jew problem" for "the gypsy problem" and then read this back. Do you see the problem?

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