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    I am Murloc! Tiili's Avatar
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    I'm not too keen on immigrants from ME/NA in Sweden, only bad experiences with them. Nevermind the fact they're overrepresented in sex crimes. Pointing that out gets me called a racist though..
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    But you are being racist towards racist people because you just generalized and judged people you don't even know and have no idea what is their reason for being a racist, which pretty much makes you an idiot yourself.
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    i am not racist don't really care but what i find funny is that black people can use the ''n'' word between them self but if a whit tell a black that word he will get beat up

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    Dislike is not the same as intrinsic inferiority for one, and second, what people often dislike in terms of race has nothing to do with skin pigment but arbitrary qualities assigned to an entire group of people based on skin pigment.

    History and culture shows us that skin pigment has no real bearing on cultural or social norms, other factors like poverty do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    Wait. But what if he's right. What if, per capita, black people are more likely to use drugs, commit violent act, and disturb the peace.

    I have no idea if that's factual, but assuming it is for the sake of argument, is it racist to point it out?

    The answer is no.
    Yes it's fucking wrong and racist to point that out because the argument is skewed (and likely very biased). Black people (or whatever) aren't more prone to crime statistically because they're black, it's because of sociological, economical and cultural reasons. If white people were put into that situation for centuries the results would be no different.
    But you are being racist towards racist people because you just generalized and judged people you don't even know and have no idea what is their reason for being a racist, which pretty much makes you an idiot yourself.
    There are no good reasons for being a racist, only excuses based on irrational fears and ignorance. Not tolerating the intolerant isn't something I'm going to feel ashemed of tyvm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    You can't be serious...
    Yes I can! I just choose not to. Most of the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    "Switch black with asian in terms of history and you'd have the same result."

    I really cannot dumb it down any more than that.
    Define: black
    Define: asian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    It really means at what level, and form of racism you take.

    Personally I define racism as: You loathe another person because of their nationality or skin colour.

    To me, if you find a Black Women (For example) not as a attractive as a White Women, that to me isn't racism, nor is the preference to be treated by someone who is the same colour as you. I think it is extremely stupid, closed minded and ignorant, but not racist.
    Having no physical attraction to people of a certain race is extremely stupid, closed minded, and ignorant? What a person finds attractive is something they have 0 control over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnoms View Post
    "Races more prone to violence and drugs" listen to you. It couldnt possibly have anything to do with the society they live in or are forced into.
    They may be forced into the society because of economical issues, however they can still choose to use violence/drugs or instead be productive and get somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Having no physical attraction to people of a certain race is extremely stupid, closed minded, and ignorant? What a person finds attractive is something they have 0 control over.
    This.
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    I have been called a racist but i dont think i am. I love my country i live in and dont want ppl from other country's get here and do what they want. They get educations before we that live in this country because of integration. Goverment say that unemployment is dropping among immigrants but still our own ppl dont get any jobs. That is because immigrants get faster help, but if we got the same help we would have a job too. Seeing ppl that abuse the system to get money and drive around in cars that i couldnt even afford when i worked is bad.

    So racist is something that ppl dont understand the meaning of. Am i a racist because i think that we shouldnt let anymore immigrants to my country? We have ppl that live on the street, even that our goverment say that we dont. Shouldnt we help our own ppl first?
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    "Is being racist really a big deal?"

    No. If, like you describe, you don't make a big deal of it in daily life and just have your own opinions that you mostly keep to yourself, it's not a big deal. I'm in that same category myself. Some (Mostly left-wing) people refuse to look at facts and statistics regarding middle eastern immigrants to Europe, and rather resort to copout name-calling, but whatever. I'm not a politician, I don't have to care about what people think of me.

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    Your only racist if you HATE someone because of their SKIN AND/OR ETHNIC BACKGROUND.

    Any other opinions you have of people are your own. If you make a joke, its not racist, if your mean to someone who isnt white, its not racist. Were human, we fall out and make up every 10 minutes.

    If you go on the streets and preach "death to blacks" then your a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    I'm not too keen on immigrants from ME/NA in Sweden, only bad experiences with them. Nevermind the fact they're overrepresented in sex crimes. Pointing that out gets me called a racist though..
    I don't know anyone in my personal life that's in favor of those kind of immigrants. I'm not sure this falls under "racist" as it's not a race but a culture that comes with it that i don't approve of. Can't say i'm ashamed or scared to admit it irl either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruddoris View Post
    because a statement of X gender is per capita more inclined to commit Y act. by it's very nature is implying Race as the Causality of the act.
    This is absolutely, 100% false. I mean let's put aside the fact that you're mixing up race and gender in the same example. Pointing out facts does not, and never will, imply causality. Period.

    Just because men are more likely to commit rape, does not imply that being a male is the cause of the rape. That doesn't make any sense.


    if you make a historical statement
    When talking about crimes per capita, which is what I did, we are making historical statements.

    And if you have enough years of empirical data, you could even make scientific predictive statements without being racists.

    e.g. based on 100 years of data, white people are more likely to be pedophiles.

    Observations are not causations.
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    It's only a big deal if you're trying not to be a terrible person.

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    Not really, no. If you don't allow your racism to influence your decisions, then it doesn't really matter.

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    You started a thread about how people think you are racist to prove you aren't racist while proving you are racist. Then you declare you aren't racist and that's the end of the discussion. This thread really went places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    K I think I got what I needed from this thread. (that I'm not racist just dislike certain cultures and aware of the differences) Thanks for the input guys.
    If you honestly believe this: "I guess what it stems down to is being a realist that acknowledges some races are prone to violence, drugs, and general mayhem.", you are a racist, no matter what you call yourself. If you were talking about socio-economic groups, or perhaps even cultures (though I'd argue that this is borderline) that'd be a different matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Yes it's fucking wrong and racist to point that out because the argument is skewed (and likely very biased). Black people (or whatever) aren't more prone to crime statistically because they're black, it's because of sociological, economical and cultural reasons.
    If you get on a bus, and you see 10 white people, is it racists to say "there are ten white people on the bus."

    If, per capita, black people commit more crime than white people, is it racist to say "black people commit more crime per capita than white people."

    When the fuck did it become racist to point out facts? This mindset actually perpetuates racism.
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    Also I'll add this ... If you just have racist feelings and you don't act on them, if they don't impact your job and your professional interactions with the race(s) that you have those feelings about ... It's not really a big deal. It's not good by any means though. It happens. Racism happens, it happens everywhere .. I was pretty shocked at the amount of racism in Australia for example. Everyone in my home country tends to think of Australia as being pretty laid back and cool, and for the most part they are and as far as civil liberties go they're leaps and bounds ahead of my home country, but there is a staggering amount of racism in Australia .. Both directed at the Indigenous Australians as well as the Middle Eastern immigrants. I was really surprised.

    Racism sucks, but we're kind of stuck with it. At least for now. :/

    Edit: Something of note, it's important for people to realize that the people of X group that they've met are not really a good representation of the whole of their people. I for example have had almost nothing but bad experiences with people from Sweden, but that doesn't change my feeling that overall the people from Sweden are probably alright and that I've just met the complete asshats. Assuming that all/most of a people are exactly like the handful that you've interacted with is pretty silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castiell View Post
    That doesnt sound manic at all, maybe change your named to depressedwrath
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