Is Every Man For Himself unfair?

[kyraka]

I play 4 characters at lvl 90, only one is human. I thought that is unfair, wanted to pay for a race change for my lock, but then I realized that is no advantage to do that. I like my escape artist.

Idea is: if you compare the human racial against no racial (as op does -> human has 3% more pvp power) than looks unfair. But is not only 3% more pvp power. is 3% pvp power against whatever racial you have.

[Tyni]

There's something I still don't understand in the comparisons.

There are two trinket slots. Four JcJ trinkets : one removes CC, one adds temporary health, one is an "on use" boost, one is a proc boost. If the "use" one is so good fo human, it should also be the trinket of choice for every other race ' second slot. Then the comparisons should be made between the third choice trinket and each other racial. Can someone explain what is the true trinket ranking ?

[Deleted]

I play 4 characters at lvl 90, only one is human. I thought that is unfair, wanted to pay for a race change for my lock, but then I realized that is no advantage to do that. I like my escape artist.

Idea is: if you compare the human racial against no racial (as op does -> human has 3% more pvp power) than looks unfair. But is not only 3% more pvp power. is 3% pvp power against whatever racial you have.

Surprising that it took 4 pages for anyone to point out the obvious. But I suppose everyone got sucked in by the mad ravings of the OP.

[Deleted]

Well the downside is that you have to play a human.

on my rogue I find shadow meld very helpful, at times it's like a second vanish, it's saved my life a lot of times. And only Orc hunter I prefer the dips racial. I don't think it's that overpowered really, but I think it should be baseline for all races, medallion is a boring pvp trinket.

[Deleted]

Well we played whole vanilla with OP undead racial (remember UD rogues everywhere).. and now its alliance that has better racial.. Tbh just remove all racials if you want to make it fair.. its not like all other races got worse racials ^^

[Deleted]

Really? worse than it has ever been? Lol, remember dk's + warriors using shadowmourne + WFS and DBW. Wasn't OP at all.

you sir know how to sidetrack from the topic. i didnt realize shadowmourne + dbw were racials..

---------- Post added 2013-01-30 at 02:02 PM ----------

Well to be fair all insigna of the horde/alliance needs to have same pvp power like dps trinkets

^ pretty much this [/thread]

[Kalcheus]

^ pretty much this [/thread]

Or as I said earlier, give badges and insignias a shared unique-equip. That way Human would only be able to use the Battlemaster trinket, which has the same PVP Power as the Medallions.

[inboundpaper]

I think it should be baseline for all races, medallion is a boring pvp trinket.

I agree, Swotor did it and it worked, slap it in the general tab at level 10. Then everyone can complain about another racial.

[corebit]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/bloodlust/3v3

Oh boy, that overpowering human racial just dominates every single battlegroup. /rolleyes

Re-quote for the Horde complainers who always seem to dodge this on purpose.

Oh, and here's the EU ladder: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...irbelsturm/3v3

Wow, the Humans and their OP EMFH are really tearing it up. /sarc

[Terahertz]

is that 3% damage so gamebreaking for you?
I'd say Orc attack power AND STUN REDUCTION is far more imbalanced.
If I could, I'd choose the orc race hands down.
So no, I could understand this rant during Wotlk, but not now.

Except you're forgetting the proc itself. Which is like 3.8k of your primary stat every 45~ seconds.

They should add the same PvP power on the pvp trinket as on the on use DPS trinkets. This way the pvp trinket will have a lot of crit/mastery/spirit AND PvP power, making human players actually rethink their decision instead of blindly choosing human for every class that's available for a human.

[Deleted]

Re-quote for the Horde complainers who always seem to dodge this on purpose.

Oh, and here's the EU ladder: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/aren...irbelsturm/3v3

Wow, the Humans and their OP EMFH are really tearing it up. /sarc

what on earth is up with stormscale?

---------- Post added 2013-01-30 at 02:46 PM ----------

on those lists of top arena teams, why do most only have one player in them? i dont arena that much so can someone explain?

[Wildtree]

Undead Racial traits are much stronger than human's traits..

[Elegiac]

It's really quite simple. Make EMFH a baseline ability, remove similar trinkets from the game, give humans a new active racial.

Removing all the other CC-affecting racials might help, too.

[Principe]

The human racial is not the reason you are losing in arena. Thank you. Maybe you should focus on your mistakes instead if blaming it on pvp power. Also pvp power isn't even a raw damage increase. Get it right.

[Baracuda]

YES, it forces alliance players to roll humans to have the best stats. 35-50% of all classes that humans can be consist of humans, in high rating PvP. Just give humans a battlemaster racial to increase their HP.

Edit: To those saying, "DERP horde is better!", 2 wrongs do not make it right. Orc/undead have arguably strong racials too, could also use nerfbat. For the record I've been Orc for 5 years and Human for about 5 months.

[Principe]

YES, it forces alliance players to roll humans to have the best stats. 35-50% of all classes that humans can be consist of humans, in high rating PvP. Just give humans a battlemaster racial to increase their HP.

Edit: To those saying, "DERP horde is better!", 2 wrongs do not make it right. Orc/undead have arguably strong racials too, could also use nerfbat. For the record I've been Orc for 5 years and Human for about 5 months.

Did you ever think that could also be due to the fact people dont want to play gnomes dranei and worgens

[Mainframe123]

you sir know how to sidetrack from the topic. i didnt realize shadowmourne + dbw were racials..[COLOR="red"]

If you'd see what I was replying to, you'd understand. Replied to a guy saying that the current bonus you get from using EMfH now, is better than it has ever been. I simply compared it to other seasons (expansions). Could bring in vial and cunning aswell, if that helps to shed some light.

[gryme]

Why am I seeing so much complaining lately about EMFH? I mean, sure, there must've been some complaining over the years, but I have been playing this game since right before BC was released. From what I can remember, it has ALWAYS existed... yet its only now, within the past few weeks, that I keep seeing these types of threads and complains about a racial that has existed in the game ALWAYS. The player base is turning to complete shit. Those of you complaining about this need to shut the fuck up, its exists, it has ALWAYS existed, players in Vanilla played with it... people in BC played with it... people in WotLK played with it... people in Cataclysm played with it... and its here now. Get over yourselves, if you chose a different race, which has a different racial, it was YOUR CHOICE. Either deal with it, like thousands upon thousands have, for expansions before you even probably played, or fork the money over to change your race.

[Tuvok]

Constantly complaining about things being unfair and appealing to get things nerfed instead of manning up and adapting is why most of you will always fail. When I say that I'm not talking about this pathetic racial issue, I'm talking generally. It's an attitude problem that is going to hold you back no matter what you involve yourself in.

[valliant13]

I play a human because my RL/Realid friends are all alliance. If I did not have the option I would be orc easily..stun reduction plus an on use enrage(second on use trinke tthat can stack with an on use trinket) on top of cooldowns that all stacks?...it's not unfair just stop being bad.