I've got 7 alts that i'm desperately trying to gear up. Luckily 2 of them do alt runs with the guild but the other 5 are left free for all pugging with people from trade chat.
I have not encountered a single group that has even remotely impressed me, back in DS I could pug 8-9 DS's a week and full clear it without any issues on my alts, but now it just feels like the pug playerbase has taken a HUGE drop in both skill and communication.
It's gotten to the point where I just don't pug on my alts and they sit there doing nothing, pugs just aren't an option for me any more, they can't clear anything.
Not sure why a lot of people are saying it's because alts are harder to gear up/maintain now. I'm currently raiding hard modes at 9/16 and I have 10 90's, only about 4 of them are geared for raiding and I do pug msv/hof/toes a lot of those rather easily, although it helps if you get a near enough guild run.
Also depends a lot on your realm, I'm on Kazzak and it's quite easy finding pug groups, there's even heroic pug groups as the server is quite far in terms of progression so there's plenty of people willing to go on alts and stuff, so just depends on your server. There's plenty of bad pugs too, that can't grasp what "taunt cobalt" means or "avoid balls" but hey ho, take the rough with the smooth.
I think that how time consuming gearing alts are this tier is a huge factor in the lack of pug activity. During Firelands and DS, I was running with up to 4 alts a week in addition to my main raid. This tier, I haven't had the time to even get a single alt to raid ready status. Between raiding 20 hours a week, farming 300 food, doing dailies to max out reps (for the first ~2 months until everything was maxed), and having to do subsequent LFR/5 man/scenarios to make sure I VP cap for gear upgrades each week, there just isn't that much play time available. On top of that, redoing the daily grind is the last thing I feel like doing on a second toon (even with the 50% rep and 50% VP bonuses). Only now, with progression being done a few weeks ago am I even looking at doing much with alts.
It's going to get a little better next tier, with T14 VP items reduced in cost, JP drops being increased, new reps added, etc, but it's not going to be that much easier. There will still be no real way around needing to gear through either VP/rep grinds or waiting forever for LFR RNG.
On top of that, the T14 fights are just flat out more difficult than the DS fights and the nerfed Firelands fights were. You could pretty much completely faceroll normal mode DS, but T14 is just less pug friendly and involves a lot more personal responsibility.
Pugs aren't usually successful until raids are heavily nerfed like ICC and DS were. Plus, it's a lot harder to gear and maintain alts atm.
I have 3 alts that I'm pugging with, all between 480 and 495 ilvl. My experience is that MsV is easy to pug, especially since the elegon nerf. HoF runs aren't worth joining unless it's a guild run. Terrace runs are hard to find, and generally only manage 3 bosses, because the way the fight is designed makes it so that you need 6 good enough dps. Platforms make it very hard to carry even one bad dps.
On the topic of PuGs, GDKPs WTF happened??!
Last edited by Saegno; 2013-01-29 at 05:08 AM.
its mostly because of the alt gearing takes some effort and then ofcurse there is a huge jump in personal responsability in most encunders, like amber shaper.
where in ds the only fight you could really fuck your pug over was on spine which happend pretty regulary.
Pugs have been bad for ever...true you could get good ones and vanilla and tbc you could choose who you wanted to group with but there were still bad ones then.
You only nottice it more now becuase of the dungeon finder and the comparitive ease of the game which like to reward everyone...you can still get good pugs but that's usually when theirs new gear added or new dungeons...and then only for a month or so
It's simple - LFR has killed a lot of the desire to pug, especially on lower pop realms.