View Poll Results: Would you like Vanilla-like 5 mans back?

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  • Yes the longer the better

    90 28.48%
  • Yes but not exactly as long

    86 27.22%
  • No I wouldn't have time anyway

    108 34.18%
  • NO I feel the current dungeons are too long already

    32 10.13%
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  1. #121
    Wouldn't mind it no.
    But doesn't have to be extreme long dungeons.
    Though some feeling of it being difficult and tactics needed even for trash is something I like a lot.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by SamR View Post
    Vanilla dungeons were mostly long trash-fests sprinkled with easy bosses with few mechanics. And the longer and more complex you make a dungeon, the fewer people will run it. I never once did a complete BRD run in vanilla. I mean, I went in there to help friends kill certain bosses. And I solo'ed a few bosses for specific drops, but never ran the dungeon from start to finish.

    Cool design, too bad people avoided it like the plague.
    People avoided BRD or dungeons in Vanilla like a plague?
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

  3. #123
    I'd like BC 5 mans, with attunement chains and BC heroics back with similar reputation gain options personally.

  4. #124
    Dungeons like BRD were designed for a different type of player and different community. They were only fun cause back then we were running it with friends and enjoying the adventure. Having it now, with dumb pugs would be a nightmare.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Constellation View Post
    Dungeons like BRD were designed for a different type of player and different community. They were only fun cause back then we were running it with friends and enjoying the adventure. Having it now, with dumb pugs would be a nightmare.
    Very true. However, I don't think I'd mind not being able to burn everything down in <4 seconds.

  6. #126
    The Vanilla dungeons took longer than today's HM raids, not counting wipes.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
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    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The Vanilla dungeons took longer than today's HM raids, not counting wipes.
    This is untrue. Having a strat-45 run implies thats the deadline for that quest/event. It does not mean they took hours and hours and hours.
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    People avoided BRD or dungeons in Vanilla like a plague?
    People avoided BRD. Everyone agreed it was a really cool design. Like a whole city in a dungeon! Just nobody wanted to run it.

  9. #129
    Couple as long as Vanilla BRD or BRS could be fine but they'd have to be on a separate queue system. You are queuing for your quick daily HC and then find out the dungeon is Vanilla BRD 2.0 which takes 2-3 hours to finish (not including time waiting for replacement for people who leave mid-run).

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    This is untrue. Having a strat-45 run implies thats the deadline for that quest/event. It does not mean they took hours and hours and hours.
    That's technically a speed run. How long does it take to do a speed run of a HM raid?
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)

    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by SamR View Post
    People avoided BRD. Everyone agreed it was a really cool design. Like a whole city in a dungeon! Just nobody wanted to run it.
    Man, I ran that dungeon into the ground. Some great stuff was in that dungeon. I agree it was difficult, but on my server, ST and Mara were generally avoided because they were long and complex.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-29 at 02:20 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    That's technically a speed run. How long does it take to do a speed run of a HM raid?
    It was labeled a speed run. You could easily do the dungeon in under and hour. Can you clear a HM raid in under an hour?
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

  12. #132
    Sure, if they are engaging and fun.

    BRD was just one huge messy grey and lava colored dungeon of boredom.

    Not using the poll, because the answears are kinda derp. Should have just Yes or No options aswell.

  13. #133
    I don't know about you guys but I spent loads of time in DM north. Dem Tribute runs.

    Vanilla 5 mans will always hold a special place. I do wish dungeons like that were still in the game. They were basically mini raids.

  14. #134
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    BRD was actually an interesting dungeon, in my opinion. It went from an expansive jail, to a city with an arena, to a forge area, to the king's throne. Quite a bit of lore in each area as well. The great irony is most people didn't see much of the last two sections.

    In today's land, they could revamp with four wings I guess. I just don't see people running it over and over after the initial nostalgia wore off... but different strokes and all that.

  15. #135
    If I was 15 years old again, sure.

    I'd rather not spend 3 hours of my time in a dungeon now though, I have little time as it is.

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  17. #137
    No the nostalgia of the dungeons far out weighs the reality of the content. I have been playing since beta and I can tell you when things went live I did a BRD that took 8 hours. I was also in a 25 man Scholomance that took 4 hours to complete with TONS of wipes. The community was so simple minded and foolish none of us really knew what we were doing and that is part of why dungeons took so long. People in greens whites and maybe a blue or 2 if you were lucky. As time went on and the dungeons became known and people started to understand how the game work dungeons took less and less time.

    The closest we had to vanilla dungeons were cataclysm released date 5 mans loads of people rained tears over those dungeons. As much as the community pines for the old days it has been my observance anytime something is given that models the old days they immediately lash out at how terrible these things are.

  18. #138
    I find this thread sorta bizarre. Have none of you run the new incarnation of BRD via LFD?

    ... and while I think Sunken Temple needed to be streamlined a little bit, I have no idea what Blizzard was thinking with the revamp.

  19. #139
    Players today would crumble if they had to do the original Scholomance dungeon.

    That said, there isn't really that much different about them. They just were really large and you could actually get lost :P


    The problem today is people think of dungeons as "Kill boss 1 through 3, get loot, go home", and the exploration is considered unnecessary. Stuff like Maraudon, Uldum or BRD would not fly today.

  20. #140
    Sort of, but I think it would be a waste of development time. It would be a fun thing to do if they were actually challenging, I wouldn't want a real long faceroll fest.

    I wanted them to bring back the TBC model (not too long but they actually taught you how to play your class or you didn't win). They did in Cata and people cried. So in reality I would never expect anything but faceroll crap again, but in my case I play for raiding with larger groups anyways, and there are always CMs for the small group challenge.

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