Racism against white people : is it possible?

[Halabash]

Yes of course, we just dont scream racism all around us if it happends to us. The racism card has been tossed around in every fucking direction lately it has started to loose its meaning imo.

Question to the black people here.

When I grew up in Norway in the 90s, people refered to blacks as "Neger", "Negro" in English. Some years later, we had to stop use that because of what, is my question? Did it just suddenly start to offend or have it offended you all along? Im just courious here... I mean, child books refered to black's as "Neger". However the word "Nigger" has been a big no-no all my life.

Norwegian dictionary from 2007 on the word "Neger" - Person belonging to, or originally come from nations with black or dark brown complexion. | <can be perceived as offensive> was added to it in 2004.

So my question is really, have it offended you all along? or did someone during the 90s found out it might be offensive to someone?

I have recently started to belive that "white-knights" really is the first ones to scream racism, or any other thing that might have offended someone, I may be wrong, but it sometimes really feel likte that is the case.

A fitting quote from Tyrion Lannister <Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you.> Be it black, gay, white, fat, bald or whatever. IMO we just need to stop be offended. If the bully dont offend you, his mission has failed.

Great questions

Black identity is a relatively new phenomenon. During the 60's in America, during the civil right movement, blacks were discovering that they have to take their perception into their own hands. Prior to this the description of blacks was prescribed by non blacks, so it comes across very derogatory, you have to remember that blacks have not always been recognized as human (which is a horrible fact). In light of this, the black community learned to come together to achieve some common goals and 1st among those goals was respect. So the black identity did transform from negro, to afro-american, to black and then political correctness landed on African American. I can tell you that if African Americans could self identify with countries in Africa they would. Did you know that most Africans consider African Americans to be the same as white people because their heritage is so intermingled?

The African diaspora ranges from a barely noticeable 1% to 100% African genetic heritage, it is society that lumps people of color into this designation that is reffered to as black, and these black communities many of which are centered in urban centers and associated with low income housing and essentially a socialist existence produce a mentality that is often scoffed at by non blacks. Curiously, regardless of skin color if someone grows up in these communities to tend to sound the same and act the same and sometimes look the same. Have you ever heard non blacks refer to each other using urban community colloquialisms?

Funny thing about racial identity, there is no such place as "Blackland" to originate the name. We use the term in our vernacular as it is an accepted remnant of our past and really is also offensive since it does nothing to truly distinguish origin. You mentioned you are Norwegian, you did not describe yourself as "white", it has more to do with being proper and showing respect to your point of origin or your family's point of origin. While the term white may not seem offensive it is the same as calling you out of your name.



I to enjoy Tyrion but don't forget to consider the source as a Lanister his physical appearance was often overlooked because of his power. When you whip a person physically or with insults, dirty looks, or mannerisms that affect you do not trust them, they often become that image. You may be able to ignore a bully, but what we are talking about is not RAISING bullies in the 1st place.

[Rukentuts]

You actually think blacks created a movement for their advancement at a time when there was widespread racism and prejudice is racist? For fuck sakes it was created in the early 1900s when there was segregation, lynchings, killings of blacks for just looking at whites, but you're going to call them racist for making it?

I'm calling Affirmative Action for exactly what it is: judging people on race alone. That's racism.

[Eats Compost]

No.

Racism = Prejudice + Power.

Prejudice against white people can exist, there is no system of institutionalized oppression against white people in place, so there is really no such thing as being racist against white people.

Society cannot be racist against white people, because white people hold the balance of power as a whole.

Individuals can because an individual person of any ethnicity can hold power over an individual white person, and can act against them on the basis of their ethnicity. I'm sure it's far, far less common, but it can happen, and probably does.

Racism is not a term exclusive to a communal level. It can refer to an individual or their actions.

[GG4Eva]

I'm calling Affirmative Action for exactly what it is: judging people on race alone. That's racism.

I hope you know affirmative action also includes gender too, not just race.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...ative%20action

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women; also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

I understand if people are against affirmative action, but also don't make it one sided. Argue also about the gender side of it too.

But I just want to ask a question to people who are against affirmative action, if affirmative action was taken away, do you believe that people would get jobs, get into colleges, etc. fairly and there would still be diversity within those acceptances? More than one worded answers would be great!

[Deleted]

Of course it's possible. I'd bet it's not very common in most western countries compaired to racism aimed at minorities but it's gotta be there. The belief that only whites are racist is retarded. I've been lucky and never really had any problems though, but I guess that's 'cause I'm from the South Wales valleys and never really saw black people unless I went to Cardiff. First time I seen a black person in Merthyr was when I was like 14. Besides, the only people in the UK who seem to be the targets of racism at the moment are Arabs and, if you count xenophobia, Poles and Eastern Europeans. The most "racist/xenophobic" thing I've ever been called is a sheep shagger.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

I hope you know affirmative action also includes gender too, not just race.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...ative%20action

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women; also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

I understand if people are against affirmative action, but also don't make it one sided. Argue also about the gender side of it too.

But I just want to ask a question to people who are against affirmative action, if affirmative action was taken away, do you believe that people would get jobs, get into colleges, etc. fairly and there would still be diversity within those acceptances? More than one worded answers would be great!

Yes I think they would. The thought just offends me that I might be turned down a promotion because of a race/gender quota that companies have to meet.

Shouldn't you base jobs on skills/merits/effort over color/race/anythingelse?

[Spectral]

I wasn't trying to assert it's comparable to the atrocities committed by the other forces. I just don't want people thinking waterboarding is equivalent to tickling.

While I'm aware that's a position that effectively exists, it's not one I've ever espoused. If I were to make a scale of torture, however, I'd put waterboarding closer to tickling than to the things quoted that occurred in Nanking and in Unit 731.

[Halabash]

I'm calling Affirmative Action for exactly what it is: judging people on race alone. That's racism.

You clearly have limited your scope on viable business as large multinationals......open up a phone book, the white pages for business and look solely at small companies...now I want you to pay a visit to those same small "mom and pop" outfits. Tell me what % of non whites work there.

All else being equal there is always going to be a leaning toward hiring a minority, because minorities are often under represented in the work place for large multi-nationals. If someone quits your effected by attrition if some one quits and their a woman, you have to fill it with a woman unless your last hire was a woman, if they were ethnic you'll look at the candidate pool with the skills for the job that are ethnic, if only whites apply then it is filled by a white person not much you can do there. This happens all the time (because higher level education is skewed in terms of race towards whites) and guess what....HR comes in and sees your staff has no ethnicity, which means your outfit looks like its discriminating...now what do you do? Throw a job fair get some interns do something!

wh?.....well there is another funny little group out there that tend to be associated with large multi-nationals they are called investors. Investors don't put money into companies that carry unnecessary liability and potential bad press because of something silly like discrimination, that makes stock prices go down when that shit hits the news.

Well Halabash how do I get a job as a white person? that is a funny question for many different reasons but the answer is easy, go for companies that have a very diverse staff, chances are, your probably going to be able to get a job on skills alone...which may or may not be tangentially related to the color of your skin and the quality of your education.

[Nykezs]

Since the other thread blew up the "is being a racist really a big deal?" thread i read in that thread alot of people who claim it's impossible to be racist against white people and I as a white person find that statement pretty offencive : the black panther party wants to murder all white people and march the streets while yelling "black power!".

What is your opinion on this?

Pretty much the black panther party is blown out of proportion now. To answer the question yes it is possible to be racist against white people. It is a term called 'Reverse Racism'. Not sure if someone has said that term in the 14 pages and I'm too lazy to sift through all the pages so yea. Reverse Racism is pretty much racism towards the traditionally dominant racial group in that society.

[Eats Compost]

Pretty much the black panther party is blown out of proportion now. To answer the question yes it is possible to be racist against white people. It is a term called 'Reverse Racism'. Not sure if someone has said that term in the 14 pages and I'm too lazy to sift through all the pages so yea. Reverse Racism is pretty much racism towards the traditionally dominant racial group in that society.

"Reverse racism" is a stupid term. It should just be termed "racism". All the term "reverse racism" does - apart from stating the completely obvious - is imply that it's somehow fundamentally different, when the only real difference is numbers.

[Nykezs]

"Reverse racism" is a stupid term. It should just be termed "racism".

That it is but that's the term that's used in cases like this. So that was the answer to his question.

[malbojia]

I think it's pretty apparent it's possible when you have storied of murders happening by blacks against whites "because they were white". I specifically remember a few kids killed an old guy "because he was white".

Even if that was the ONLY case ever recorded, that's still racism.

Theres plenty of black on white crime it's just deemed not as "news worthy"...

See for yourself.

http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

Most of this doesn't even make main stream media but reverse the roles and whala Treyvon...

[Saradain]

Yes, it's possible. And it happens.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah it's possible, but racism against white people is a non-issue generally speaking.

[Uennie]

People who are white are still refused jobs and housing because government agencies are afraid of lawsuits from people who aren't white. We are also killed as a result of racism.

The worst that happens in modern countries to blacks/browns is that they get their feelings hurt. Yea, I said it. Not a single black person currently living ever knew a slave. Get the fuck over it, we don't owe you anything.

The reason there is racism against whites.

Because clearly the oppression of those who were not white or female in the United States happened thousands of years ago and blacks/women have had the right to vote FOREVER and there's zero pay gaps at all!

[Pyro1990]

I hope you know affirmative action also includes gender too, not just race.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...ative%20action

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women; also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

I understand if people are against affirmative action, but also don't make it one sided. Argue also about the gender side of it too.

But I just want to ask a question to people who are against affirmative action, if affirmative action was taken away, do you believe that people would get jobs, get into colleges, etc. fairly and there would still be diversity within those acceptances? More than one worded answers would be great!

The way it should work is race shouldn't even be there. There should be no part of any application that makes you implicate your race. Because it shouldn't matter. It should all be person to person. Don't care if they are white, black, purple or green. If person a is a better applicant than person b, person a should get in.

[MossMonster]

White people are not sensitive to racism ways other races mabe are.

[sugarlily]

I am still shocked & saddened that ppl are small minded enough not only to be racist, but to actually believe that racism only = white against black.

ANY race being abused, judged, treated as inferior or superior, based solely on ethnic or cultural basis, national, religious etc etc = racism.

Do a little research ppl, it is certainly NOT nor has ever been simply "white vs. black" or Caucasian vs. ppl of African descent.

No matter what form it's in, it is a horrible, stupid, prejudiced, ignorant, petty, hateful, conservative, intolerant, selfish, short-sighted small-minded tiny-penis view of the World & the ppl living their lives in it. I hope someday it will only be read about in history books. <3

[Trassk]

People who are part of a majority, sometimes need to be brought down a level or two. If there is large population of white people because thats how it is in that part of the world, thats fine, but if there are white supremacists in those areas, they need to be given a kick up the back end.

Its the same principle of heterosexuals against gay people. If your straight and know people who are gay, and treat them equal, thats how it should be. But anyone who treats a gay man or woman as a second class citizen or lower, they should get to know what it feels like to to be ridiculed for what is natural to them, being hetero. And there are some heterophobes in the gay community because of this reason.

[PACOX]

No offense... but this seems a little off. Does this mean me, as a white person wouldn't be in the wrong if I called a black person "black boy"? Or if a black man was called "black boy" when in an area of mostly white people?

I didn't say they were right, I called them ignorant several times. I merely saying that when they refer to race they don't do so in a racist context. The make caricatures out of everyone. There are white people that do this too.