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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    Maybe if the property owner was not a paranoid dumbass, he would have lived too.
    didn't you notice the /sarcasm

    I think there is just one solution, throw more guns at the problems !

    on a more serious note, things like this shouldn't happen, at least they should have more regular controls when people get older, just like we do here for older people driving, just to see if their still fit.

    It's sad such a young men gotta lose his life for such a dumb reason, poor gf of him she must be going trough hell right now :S

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    Because living in MA makes you immune to bullets?
    Makes me immune to less bullets hehe. We have some pretty tough gun laws here so yeah.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Csnyder View Post
    maybe he didnt just pull in the wrong driveway, maybe he just used this as an excuse but who knows who cares. whats funny to me is the media picking up on every gun story out there now, where were these reports before. we all know they lied about an ar-15 being used in the conn. shooting.....it was in his trunk and he really used 4 pistols to kill 27 and not the ar-15 as was reported, they knew this but lied anyway to falsely prove a point. now millions are against assault-riffles based on media lies.......gotta love those sheep who believe the crap pouring out of the media these days. another thing is the prison in cuba, it was in the media everyday when bush was in office but the day obama took office was the last day we heard anything about it. ask yourself why, its still open and we still have over 120 prisoners there but we hear nothing of them anymore....again, ask yourself why. not hard to see the love affair the media has with dems and not hard to see they try to make gop look bad at every chance. ask yourself why and stop believing the lies and bs. so what a guy shot someone who was on his property, according to law he has that right.
    Trying to read that nearly incoherent rant made me make the same expression your avi is making. If you dont care, why even bother responding instead of ranting off topic?

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    In that situation, the chances of the guy's purpose in rolling down his window being taking a shot at the homeowner as he drives away are more than enough to justify firing. I see no issue here. Do not go onto someone else’s property at night and do anything that might be in any way be construed as a threatening or potentially aggressive action otherwise shooting you is entirely justified.
    That kind of thinking is exactly why the US has so much gun killing for silly reasons, you perceive everyone as a threat, and with the amounts of gun out there, it's understandable.

    And that's exactly the problem, people thinking, yeah we can all have guns, now we are safe, while actually what happens is that everyone is on edge and feels threatened all the time.

    In my entire life, I haven't even seen or heard a gun, except a couple of times where I just saw cops with their guns on their belt, I don't feel threatened because I know I don't risk my life on the street because some guy with a gun could go crazy. Worst case scenario some crazy comes at me with a knife and since I am a sprinter he'll have a hard time catching up with me

  5. #125
    Guns aren't the problem.......what if he used a crossbow....the problem is people. Moral of the story, if a homeowner fires a warning shot and is yelling get off my property, don't roll down your window to apologize, just gtfoutta there.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    In that situation, the chances of the guy's purpose in rolling down his window being taking a shot at the homeowner as he drives away are more than enough to justify firing. I see no issue here. Do not go onto someone else’s property at night and do anything that might be in any way be construed as a threatening or potentially aggressive action otherwise shooting you is entirely justified.
    Do not make an honest mistake ever in your life because if you do, you deserve to die just as much as the guy in this car.

    Seriously, if you think rolling down a window is justification for self-defense then you should never leave your house because you're liable to shoot people anywhere you go.
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by lolo855 View Post
    That kind of thinking is exactly why the US has so much gun killing for silly reasons, you perceive everyone as a threat, and with the amounts of gun out there, it's understandable.

    And that's exactly the problem, people thinking, yeah we can all have guns, now we are safe, while actually what happens is that everyone is on edge and feels threatened all the time.

    In my entire life, I haven't even seen or heard a gun, except a couple of times where I just saw cops with their guns on their belt, I don't feel threatened because I know I don't risk my life on the street because some guy with a gun could go crazy. Worst case scenario some crazy comes at me with a knife and since I am a sprinter he'll have a hard time catching up with me
    The real problem is even if we made all guns illegal starting right now there would be a crazy amount of them out on the street. And the only thing that would change is everyone with a gun would then be a criminal. It's a bad situation with no real way out of it unless everyone in the world throws their guns into a fire at the same time.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Uschlol View Post
    Guns aren't the problem.......what if he used a crossbow....the problem is people. Moral of the story, if a homeowner fires a warning shot and is yelling get off my property, don't roll down your window to apologize, just gtfoutta there.
    He was backing up. The moral of the story is that we need to stop having such a pervasive "I can be as stupid as I want with a guy because 2nD AMENDMENT!!!11!1" culture.

  9. #129
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    Bad judgment on his part and I hope he is punished accordingly

    Now, I bring you to this story where a quintessential American hero was buried with the things he loves, which are hamburgers. Why? Because op's topic is but a distraction.



    The 88-year-old Kime died Jan. 20, and during his funeral procession a few days later, members of Kime's family took a detour to the Burger King drive-through.

    Linda Phiel, one of Kime's three daughters, said her dad loved fast food and ate it daily. "He always lived by his own rules," she said. "His version of eating healthy was the lettuce on the Whopper Jr."

    The York (Pa.) Daily Record spoke with Phiel, who explained that when her mother was alive, she tried to keep his eating habits in check. "When she died, for a while, he would eat with us," she said. "But he considered us health freaks because we ate things that were green, like broccoli."

    After a while, Phiel stopped trying to talk her dad into eating more veggies. "When you're 88 years old, I guess you've earned the right to do what you want to do," she said.

    The funeral procession ordered a whopping 40 of the Whopper Jr. burgers, including one for the dearly departed. Kime's Whopper was placed on top of his flag draped casket before burial.

    The Burger King's manager, Margaret Hess, said, "It's nice to know he was a loyal customer up until the end—the very end."
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    The real problem is even if we made all guns illegal starting right now there would be a crazy amount of them out on the street. And the only thing that would change is everyone with a gun would then be a criminal. It's a bad situation with no real way out of it unless everyone in the world throws their guns into a fire at the same time.
    I know, never said they had to do it or that it would work, I am just stating that the amount of guns in the US makes you feel threatened all the time. It basic a cold war between the people in the US.

    You never know who has a gun and who will use it, so better shoot first !

    But the should start to reduce the amount of weapons circulating, making better controls etc, more lessons on how to handle gun's in a good way etc, make guns more expensive. It's a slow and difficult task but they really should start it, the sooner the better.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    He was backing up. The moral of the story is that we need to stop having such a pervasive "I can be as stupid as I want with a guy because 2nD AMENDMENT!!!11!1" culture.
    Again, it's not about guns. It's about people. People are afraid for good reason. The homeowner lives Ina neighborhood rife with violence and gangs. He should have the right to defend his home. This is simply an accident, and is unfortunate.

    How many people are killed by guns in a gun free zone such as Chicago? More gun deaths happened in Chicago alone, than soldiers killed in Iraq/Afghanistan.

    What if the homeowner used a high powered crossbow?

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Uschlol View Post
    Again, it's not about guns. It's about people. People are afraid for good reason. The homeowner lives Ina neighborhood rife with violence and gangs. He should have the right to defend his home. This is simply an accident, and is unfortunate.

    How many people are killed by guns in a gun free zone such as Chicago? More gun deaths happened in Chicago alone, than soldiers killed in Iraq/Afghanistan.

    What if the homeowner used a high powered crossbow?
    What if, and here's a crazy thought, the crazy fucker stopped a minute and assessed the situation rather than thinking "Car in driveway, don't recognize it, grab the ammo!"
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  13. #133
    I have to say, I must laugh at all of the people defending the property owner/blaming the guy in the vehicle. Putting the gun debate aside, it was a paranoid idiot with a gun. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than that.
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  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    What if, and hear's a crazy thought, the crazy fucker stopped a minute and assessed the situation rather than thinking "Car in driveway, don't recognize it, grab the ammo!"
    So your admitting the problem is with the person, not the guns?

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Uschlol View Post
    So your admitting the problem is with the person, not the guns?
    I've never in my life said differently. People are just too fucking paranoid.

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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Uschlol View Post
    Again, it's not about guns. It's about people. People are afraid for good reason. The homeowner lives Ina neighborhood rife with violence and gangs. He should have the right to defend his home. This is simply an accident, and is unfortunate.

    How many people are killed by guns in a gun free zone such as Chicago? More gun deaths happened in Chicago alone, than soldiers killed in Iraq/Afghanistan.

    What if the homeowner used a high powered crossbow?
    Again, if he were a rational, respecable gun owner, he would have assessed the situation first, and realized that it dod not call for lethal force. No, his conclusion was that it was better to shoot first, ask questions later. Thats the kind of attitude that needs to DIE from our culture.

    and I never blamed guns. I blamed a certain culture that has poped up in relation to the 2nd amendment.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    I've never in my life said differently. People are just too fucking paranoid.
    I'm assuming you have never lived in an area with a lot of gang activity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uschlol View Post
    Again, it's not about guns. It's about people. People are afraid for good reason. The homeowner lives Ina neighborhood rife with violence and gangs. He should have the right to defend his home. This is simply an accident, and is unfortunate.

    How many people are killed by guns in a gun free zone such as Chicago? More gun deaths happened in Chicago alone, than soldiers killed in Iraq/Afghanistan.

    What if the homeowner used a high powered crossbow?

    Uhhh this guy shouldn't own a gun or a high-powered crossbow if he just shoots people ACCIDENTLY backing up into his driveway. Violent neighboorhood or not. You have to be careful.
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    What kind of Christian person shoots someone? Especially without asking any questions or without hesitation? That is the exact opposite of what the bible tells you to do. Ontop of that, He thought his house was going to get robbed. I understand that would be a scary situation if that was what really happening but come on. Your stuff isn't worth killing someone over. I mean if the driver really was an armed robber he would have probably shot back and killed or seriously hurt him aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uschlol View Post
    Guns aren't the problem.......what if he used a crossbow....the problem is people. Moral of the story, if a homeowner fires a warning shot and is yelling get off my property, don't roll down your window to apologize, just gtfoutta there.
    and we don't want those PEOPLE to have GUNS because they are WEAPONS.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Again, if he were a rational, respecable gun owner, he would have assessed the situation first, and realized that it dod not call for lethal force. No, his conclusion was that it was better to shoot first, ask questions later. Thats the kind of attitude that needs to DIE from our culture.

    and I never blamed guns. I blamed a certain culture that has poped up in relation to the 2nd amendment.
    I don't know what culture your referring to... To say these accidental shootings are a new trend is uneducated at best.

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