There are extremists everywhere you can't just assume the extremists represent the entire government / ethnic group...
I mean you don't think Israel has their own extremists?
There are extremists everywhere you can't just assume the extremists represent the entire government / ethnic group...
I mean you don't think Israel has their own extremists?
I long ago came up with the only workable solution to the Middle-East problem.
1. No one should be allowed to live in the entire area of Isreal/Palestine any more. Empty the whole place and turn it into an international museum run by the Swiss. People are allowed to visit, but not allowed to live there.
2. Who is 'responsible' for the Jewish people currently being in Isreal? A treaty of many nations agreed, but Great Britain was the most responsible since "Palestinia" was a British Territory which they ceded to the Jewish people after WW2. Therefore the most logical solution is for all Jews to be removed from Isreal and given a chunk of British Territory such as the Isle of Lewis or part of North Ireland or something.
3. Everyone blames Isreal for the Palestinian plight (though a lot of their problems are self-inflicted), and by extension the United States for supporting them. Therefore the US should give the Palestinians a chunk of territory to live in. Preferably some sort of island. I think we have a bunch of great islands in the Pacific we could put them on.
There. Now the Jews and Palestinians are on islands on opposite sides of the planet. Problem solved. Isreal is owned by nobody. This is the only solution that will work. Anything else is just fiddling around the margins.
Have you been living under a rock for the past ten years? The USA have been vetoing sensible UN resolutions since FOREVER. The US government is as bad as China and Russia...
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Want a video showing Israelis saying "fuck you Obama" and "we control you" ?
I really laugh every time someone posts a youtube video to 'prove' something.
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They have them and one of them is leading the country.
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[Sarcasm]These two things will go well... yes nothing will go wrong...[/Sarcasm]
You know that solutions need to be sensible and achievable right?
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
I didn't say that the proposal was sensible. However, it is the only solution that would WORK if it was somehow implemented. This UN resolution? Worthless. The status quo? Untenable. Give the Pals back that territory? The violence that Isreal has been able to all but stop will explode again. Don't give it back? The Pals have no ability to move beyond being a glorified refugee camp. Extremists on both sides will keep the violence going because they value the 'issue' more than the lives.
There's only one solution that is fair. Remove them both. Feasible? Of course not. Sensible? There's nothing sensible about this whole mess anyway, so why not have an unsensible solution?
To be fair there are UN councils and assistance organizations that do good work. However, politically speaking the UN is a pathetic joke.We wont, they provide nothing.
In fact as far as I'm aware the UK is the only european nation that outright bans guns for civilians.This is why people ban guns. Gun supporters don't know what guns are.Shotguns I'll give you (provided you're allowed 12 and larger gauges... because I mean... come on...) but not .22s.
This is so ill informed.
list of countries by total number of peacekeepers contributed to United Nations operations based on United Nations report for 2010:
Rank Country/Region Peacekeepers
1 Pakistan 8,967
2 Bangladesh 8,828
3 India 7,839
4 Nigeria 5,709
5 Egypt 5,458
6 Nepal 5,044
7 Jordan 3,826
8 Ghana 3,647
9 Rwanda 3,635
10 Uruguay 2,489
11 Ethiopia 2,391
12 Brazil 2,269
13 Senegal 2,254
14 South Africa 2,088
15 China 1,995
17 France 1,771
40 Russia 362
45 United Kingdom 281
70 United States 82
China supplies the most among the 5 permanent members of security council, and 20 times more than US does. At least do a little research before you claim US supplies the most troops.
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What do we do?
We should do nothing except veto it in the Security Council if it comes to that.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Thanks for the detailed info. That said, that happened during the League of Nations then? Or even before WW1? If it happened before WW1... then nothing to comment, if it happened after WW1 but before WW2, the League of Nations was weak. It didn't include some major partners and didn't have its own army. This is why the UN is superior from the League, though still not perfect as it is pushed around by large actors still, which is a big minus.
That said, yes, I agree, the EU does indeed much better then the UN in and around Europe... but the EU can only tackle problems in Europe and parts of Africa it seems, its influence doesn't really extend further.
And yes, I agree, US politics is ripe with hypocrisy. Unfortunately... so is the politics of many countries. Even mine.
And yes, I agree that maybe muslims might have launched more wars at start, though with time they settled down and it's Israel who ramped up the conflict now. Now we're sitting in the exact opposite from 1967. Then, Israel was the weak actor in a region filled with stronger countries and it got attacked. Nowadays they're the strong actors surrounded by weak ones and they're the ones attacking. It's sad that it has come to this. But in the end this is what indoctrination on both sides has brought, two sides who hate eachother.
Funny I saw snipits of Chuck Hagel hearing and him getting drilled because he is Anit-Israel because he said one thing about Israel awhile ago. I love how in America that Israel you can't touch, question and have to praise all the time. From what I know they have crazies over there just like in the U.S. where they feel they don't have to answer to nobody. Sad if a U.S. politician stands against Israel we thus have to hate Israel. To me Israel causes more problems than it solves in Middle-East.
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Isn't that what the Israeli's doing to the Palestinians?