The Dark Irons could be angry that their brew is terrible, and I don't like Moira at all.
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I don't care about, or want, Dark Irons in the Horde but the Dun Morogh starting area takes place WELL after the shattering.
Moira is the legitimate heir to the throne of Ironforge, I am still somewhat baffled Varian could meddle so much into dwarven affairs, by right of succession Moira should be able to rule alone.
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EDIT: Ugh, somehow I missed that most of this had already been mentioned before I posted. Sorry. Please ignore me.
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The story of Coren Direbrew and his gang of hoodlums is actually explained in the Pearl of Pandaria comic book. Suffice it to say they don't represent all Dark Iron dwarves, anymore than the Defias represent all humans.
The first Brewfest was a competition between Chen Stormstout and Grimbooze Thunderbrew, which Coren Direbrew wormed his way into. Coren lost the competition and now he and his minions attack Brewfest every year to get revenge.
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Kingship should certainly not pass to the sovereign's brother if he has a living male descendant, but a regency might be viable for Muradin if male leadership is required, which would prevent Moira from ruling as a queen regent.
Also in the domination point scenario, some of the enemies can be Dark Iron dwarves. Which I guess is blizzard's way of cementing that they are a part of the Alliance. Seeing as how they wouldn't fight alliance battles if they weren't.
This is assuming we don't get to cure Mangi at some point, of course.
If we did, there's a good chance he'd take a queen and make a direct heir. Courese, I'd imagine that'd make the Dark irons kinda angry.
Now that I think of it, why can I not know use Dark iron skins for my fem dwarf toons? That would be all sorts of epics for my fem dwarf mage.
You must show no mercy, Nor have any belief whatsoever in how others judge you: For your greatness will silence them all!
I'd just like to point out that she was kidnapped and mind controlled. There used to be a quest to save her from her captor and she was grateful to get away from him after he was dead, it made the fight a bit more challenging (when level appropriate of course, and ages ago before every class had ridiculous scaling OP abilities they do now) to have to kill the emperor without killing her.
However this was all ret-conned for god knows why and changed so that she actually liked him and wants to rule the dark irons.
Blizzard has always been a fan of retcons and story that doesn't make sense.
As for dark irons in brewfest, they've been attacking for years prior to cataclysm where this retconned girl, now leader of the dark irons, returned to iron forge. They are just too lazy to update the event to show it. The whole reason the dark irons attacked in the first place according to brewfest is because they wanted their beer/ale/brew/whatever to be at the festival and tasted just like all the other families and houses, but weren't allowed because they were the enemy, so they attacked and disrupted the festival out of jealousy. Now that dark irons are more accepted, this wouldn't be the case. But alas, blizzard laziness. Just like all the leaps in time you experience while leveling with certain people being alive, then dead, then alive again, then dead again, it just makes no sense.
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For the first, as mentioned, her maiden name is Bronzebeard. For the second, Blizz hasn't TOUCHEd holiday events since the Love/Noblegarden revamp a few years back.
The Dark Iron dwarves during brewfest are from the Dark Iron Brewery (the name escapes me), and were not invited to Brewfest.
It's mentioned in the quest dialogs with the NPCs. The attack brewfest because they were scorned.
My name is Cernunnos, I will love you like no other, I have died a thousand deaths, each time I died I thought of you.
This is what Moira said in the original quest after killing the Dark Iron emperor:
"Thaurissan was a great and honorable dwarf. You ruined my life and the life of my unborn child!
<You think that Princess Bronzebeard may still be suffering from the residual effect of the Emperor's spell.>
Return to Ironforge and tell my father that the heir to the Kingdom of Ironforge will be a Dark Iron dwarf.
Whether he approves or not, it shall be."
"You have slain my husband, <race>! My child will be born into this world without a father.
<Princess Moira points directly at you.>
I assure you, this child will be the next ruler of the kingdom of Ironforge. You and your kind shall be hunted down until the end of days for this wrongful act.
<You think that Princess Moira may be suffering from the residual effect of Thaurissan's spell.>
Leave me be, <race>. I am certain your warchief will be eager to hear the results of his meddling."
The names of the quests ("The Princess's Surprise" and "The Princess Saved?") also imply that the assumption that her stay in Blackrock Depths was completely involuntary was a mistake, made by both Thrall and her father.)
I think the only thing that made it work was that the Dwarves wanted it.
But answer the OP. Moira's a Bronzebeard Dwarf hence why she doesn't have grey skin and she wasn't around when Ragnaros first appeared so she does not have the red eyes of which I feel should probably be removed from the Dark Iron loyalists.
Any time you see a hostile Dark Iron they're part of Twilight's Hammer which has a substantial presence of their race.
I dont ever see Dark Irons ever joining the Horde, the ones that didn't come to Ironforge are still in Blackrock Mountain at war with the Blackrock Orcs, which is exactly who Garrosh has been all buddy-buddy with as of late. Just wishful thinking on the part of those who say "We want Dwarves, you can have elves.".
Though I realise saying never is a bad thing as far as WoW is concerned.
Moreover, I sense a plot: Black Iron dwarves united again and commanded by Moira will pretend take over Ironforge and unite the three clans under the iron fist of the Moira's son. A coup.
Maybe Moira is dubious at first to perform this betrayal, but seeing as her son gets only contempt from the other clans and fearing that her son cannot become who reconvenes all the clans under his command, will change her opinion.
However, she will need some help to end with the dwarves who refuse to submit and to deal with the Alliance in general, and that help will arrive by the hand of the Horde. Thus, Black Iron dwarves will swear allegiance to the Horde in return to help them gain control of the three dwarves clans and destroy the Alliance. Result: new race for the Horde: Black Iron Dwarves.
In short, Blizzard has a debt to the Alliance: the Quel'dorei
Your scenario is unlikely however. Moira hates the Horde. Also, her influence over the Dark Iron Clan is not as great as you assume, or as she would like you to believe. Many traditionalist Dark Iron do not like the idea of a "halfbreed runt" (Moira's son) ruling them. Even among those that seek reconciliation with the other dwarven nations and left Shadowforge City together with Moira there are still subversive elements (you could call them traitors), even in high offices (such as Ambassador Slaghammer).