100% correct sir!There are 11 classes and each class has a best spec, hence the numbering from 1-11. He was using the best specs as a gauge, not all the specs. Which makes more sense to me.
Clicked on Raidbots http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/
1 Warlock Affliction
2 Mage Arcane
3 Warrior Fury
4 Rogue Assassination
5 Death Knight Frost
6 Rogue Combat
7 Priest Shadow
8 Druid Balance
9 Monk Windwalker
10 Mage Fire
11 Paladin Retribution
12 Shaman Enhancement
13 Druid Feral Cat
14 Warlock Destruction
15 Warlock Demonology
16 Hunter Survival
17 Hunter Beast Mastery
18 Shaman Elemental
19 Death Knight Unholy
20 Rogue Subtlety
21 Hunter Marksmanship
22 Mage Frost
23 Warrior Arms
Ok so our best placing spec is number 16 atm.
and as for classes, a Warlock, Mage, Warrior, Rogue, Death Knight, Priest, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Shaman are in front of us.... hang on wait, does that make us 11th out of 11 classes <.<
Any ranking which puts SV as a better spec as BM should indicate to you how idiotic the ranking system is. Raidbots is horrible proof of anything.
But the fact is, hunters are not 5th in all the class spec combos as an average. They ARE middle of the pack or lower, which is not "omg the sky is falling", it's just as it is atm, at this very top end lvl of raiding.
Does this effect most people, probably not, but it still does not discount the fact that someone playing with the same skill lvl, on an average, can perform better dps from a different class atm.
Lastly Raidbots is far from perfect, I never said it was gospel, simply stated what I did following a "current dps rankings wow" search. Like I said, it's not perfect, but it's not overly incorrect. And yes, SV can and will outperform BM in certain fights, even sometimes as an average. But here it only puts it a fraction above, it's not like it's placed it at 2nd or 3rd in the data. -_-
Also, I personally don't want hunters to be absolute top, like current affli warlocks. I remember playing boomkin back in the beginning of Cata, after SV hunters got nerfed. I was like 20% ahead of any other class in our 25 ppl raid and the only guy who I could compete with was another owl. That's not fun at all. The current state of things that actually has a lot of room for competition is way better.
Actually its dominant in every class forums... the Mages tears when fire got nerfed from Godhood to normal was insane, the complaints about Arcane now are insane yet they are top damage, hell there was even a Warlock on tweeter asking GC why he has neglected Locks this whole expansion and why wont he give them some love... GC literally laughed at him in response.Yet still the "sky is falling" attitude is dominant in hunter forums,
Trying to stir the pot much? lolcan't play this (arguably the easiest) class.
granted the dk strat sounds good ..but i always did the frosts ..and yeah we did md the adds to the ot as well
ps,,gotta chime in with this now as well..this is the new hunter "injoke"..
went a firelands pug achieve run and afterwards the rl wants me to hunter for his new guild hes making right on the mop release
so i join up and begin to notice hes pretty good at raidleading and doing good dps ..but ..theres a feeling of "impatience" in some fights..
three weeks after mop launches ..he stops playing..i thought he'd moved on to dps in a more established guild..get pulled through..
but no they tell me he's sold his account..and the healer comfirmed that he actually bought the account 6 mths earlier
so i told the healer.." how could i know?... after all he's playing a dk"....
Last edited by badrobot; 2013-02-05 at 10:08 PM.
Hunters could certainly use a buff but it's not like we're 20% behind "competitive" like some seem to think. Just a few minor (3-5% increases for Marks and Surv and a slight bump to Beast AOE) puts us right where we need to be.
Blizz: Hai Hunters, we're going to put Aspects on GCD.
Hunters: That's an awful idea. That's going to really hurt.
Blizz: WHATEVER, we're going to wait and see mmmkkay?
They put it in for like 5.0 and then hotfixed it out like a week later, and acted all shocked that it hurt Hunters soooo much in PvP and PvE. It's like they don't even test our crap sometimes. It's very frustrating as a player.
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Simulation Craft did a 5.1 DPS rankings and came up with this list (as ordered by best class spec by me)
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Let's not pretend please, we chose a pure DPS class for a reason, DPS is what we do and what we enjoy the most.
If a warlock on same skill/gear level as me will continuously shit on me, that's not fine. And I'm not a doomsday-calling person with arbitrary numbers like 20% over etc, but even 5% over me despite same effort doesn't sit well with me as an idea.
Ideal situation would be all DPS classes/specs being within 0.5/1% of each other, leaving the winners to those who put in an extra mile/get lucky with RNG etc.
That's not going to happen anytime soon as Blizz is notoriously bad at balancing.
So until that time (I'm still trying to be an optimist here), we shouldn't just bend over and take the middle pack and shrug.
Mages may QQ a whole lot, but their tears accomplish stuff, I can't remember a tier where mages were actively put out on all 3 specs.
I wouldn't even rant if not for the whole "we know stuff's wrong, but we're not changing anything for now" GC blunder. Lolwut?