What do you want us to tell you???
-"yeah wow sucks and it will die this year without a doubt"
-"yeah wow kicks every other game's ass, it'll will never die"
Does it really matter for you what other people think about a game you like/dislike so you can feel that you have the absolute truth about a game that millions of people play???
Pathetic... enough said.-
Also, there is a myth that somehow they play less than we do. But their raid progress per server is similar to normal western servers. I think it is one of the things ´haters´ liked to say when Blizz puts out subscription numbers ´yeah, but they are counting a person from china who only played and payed for 1 hour last month´... while technically true, they would count that person, the fact is there is nothing about china servers that would indicate they have a substantial number of players playing such a small amount. But the truth is also that even a very hardcore player in China would pay substantially less than $15 per month.
Also to note.. the lag between western and China expansion launches is now almost gone. China launched only a week after the USA.
I'm gonna say around 8 million.
I don't know if it's been launched in China yet but I don't think the Western market is doing exceptionally well at the moment.
Call it a hunch. I don't really have anything to back up my claims. I just think I know WHY people might be quitting right now like they did in Cataclysm (going back on set precedents and all that jazz).
Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-860 @2.8GHz | Radeon HD 7770 | 8GB DDR3-1333MHz | Corsair CX 430W |
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome." -- Samuel Johnson
the other three are all from various interviews most during blizzcons.
simply doing a google will eventually bring you to most of them ive pointed these things out in titan threads many times before. also let me remind you that there is no such thing as a hardcore raider in wow. wow was specifically designed to be the easiest mmo since inception
For the record, I do not vehemently dislike WoW. I do dislike MOP.
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I've seen servers die and rise since launch and mostly its due to transfers :P
All ques on my server are below the 30 min mark, even at 4 am in the morning, so I'd say the population is just fine.
theres only so many times you could run black temple or molten core before you realize that all you wanted was something that isnt attainable
Those expansions were hard and took long time to clear, they were not facerolls. There was no easy shit normal mode or LFD/LFR. So, yes it would take me long time to play through three expansions.
Yet back in the day we didn't have the stuff we had today, We were still new to raiding it wasn't until Wrath that it started to become veterans. Raiding was only hard back due to many factors that differ from today. We didn't have DBM big wigs until around Sun Well. You got hit like a truck and barely had to move in old raids, it was basically avoid standing in sit & your good.
A great interview by Method on Method explains it all: http://manaflask.com/en/article/2038...gm-and-members
Raiding is still hard as ever its just were seasoned vets will all these utilities / website / tests / addons at are disposal it just makes things easier. Yet without those addons it would be just like back in the day just alot more things to avoid and more diffcult to down a boss. The whole Vanilla / TBC raiding was hard doesn't work when you actually experienced it first hand & understand the true difference from today and back than, That back than we didn't have those addons in Molten Core.
Addons & all are other utilities / sources make raiding easier, yet the raids would be just as hard or more difficult without it all. Expanding to allow casuals get a taste of raid content in there own enviroment is not cause Blizzard wants its called adapting to the ever changing market.
The old model is long gone people who can't seem to forget about is also called nostalgia @_@, but I also think these people never experienced it cause if they hated the current model.
why havn't they quit like others have in the past?
why they do they continue to fight ??
why havn't they refuse adapted & accept the new model ???
Why do you ask, cause the P2P market / Hardcore market is dieing in MMOs. Blizzard is a company and it goals is to make money LIKE ANY OTHER COMPANY OUT THERE They adapt to what makes them money, the green stuff $$$ & there doing a dam good job too. The days of hardcore is over as much as I hate it & despise it, I learned to move on and accept it. The only way to can continue those hardcore ways is if you put the time & dedication for it, the time many of us no longer have that we had maybe 5-7 years ago, An would love to continue to play the game & get a taste of that we still love to do, but now can on are own schedule makes it even more enjoyable. Yes I wish people would put more time in to learn & better themselves as a player, but that would never happen, even though it takes 5 mins to look up anything about your class & know about it from once again are sources & utilities that we today that we didn't have back than. Most of are seasoned veterans in raiding and it just something that comes to us, they weren't like that when we were new or rookies to it.
Time changes, things changes & people need to move in a forward motion, stopping looking backwards only forwards. Keep those memories close to your heart and allow those who don't have those memories to gain there own memories & let them enjoy them as long as they last as what we once had & did aswell.
Oh btw, WoW could have 3 mill subs & 10/15 servers I would still play aslong as I enjoy the game. To me I give 0 ***** about subs numbers cause it doesn't affect me or my enjoyment, its doesn't affect people who play Rift, SWTOR, GW2, TERA, Aion, The Secert World, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer Online, DCUO, Age of Conan or Eve Online. They continue to love & support there games and I will continue to support WoW even if drops to 3 Mill which would still take 4-6 years to even happen as there many factors why people come back to check stuff out, unsub / resub. Haters will be haters for aslong as it lives & proclaim the end of WoW like people continue to proclaim the end of World as we know it.
But in reality even when WoW goes in future, it will always be around on private servers / websites & in are hearts. As it may not be as great to some people it is still the same great game to old & new players it will be still be the most successful game & franchise on this planet. No matter what anyone says nothing can change that. It will forever be know as the Immortal Juggernaut of MMOs. You can't deny that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUMXLmyAJV8 - I was listening to this off a stream I was watching it was great.
What if Blizzard never made WoW where would MMOs be today? Not in the same place as they are today, as most of them wouldn't exist without WoW just like WoW woudn't exist without EQ as some say.
Since Blizzard hasn't been pushing any campaigns to draw back old customers, I'd estimate only a fairly minor sub loss this time around, maybe 250,000. Based on my enjoyment of MoP, I believe Q3 2012 (right after the expansion was released) will be the high point for subscriber numbers this expansion.
Hey look, this thread again.
I'm going to say the naysayers are wrong. WoW's numbers have either held steady or gone up since the release of Mists. I am basing this on personal observation alone, that being that more of my real life and in game friends have come back to the game in the last 2 months and are enjoying the hell out of it (most of these friends being people that started playing back in Vanilla or BC).
Also, I am confident that when 5.2 drops, people are going to be very happy with it.
I am going take a jab at guessing this when we find out their was a decline in subs the fanbois will say "people will resub with 5.2 they are just bored", "We still have X million", "Other games wish they had x million", ETC