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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Lakrin View Post
    No they won't. Nothing is more belligerent than the haters that keep feeding into it by either playing and bitching about it or not playing and continuing to read up on things on the various forums and still trying to have a say in things.
    Well I can hope can't I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Well I can hope can't I?
    Yes, yes we can, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    You speak as if there will be a decrease in subs. Overconfidence can hurt a man. And if there is a increase in subs all the haters will be silent.

    Well I would say the new xpac honeymoon is over but we will see the 7th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakrin View Post
    No they won't. Nothing is more belligerent than the haters that keep feeding into it by either playing and bitching about it or not playing and continuing to read up on things on the various forums and still trying to have a say in things.
    The fanboys, Wow addicts, wow Zelots, blizzard asskissers, wow lovers whatever you want to call them are just a belligerent as the haters and way more vocal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    Titan is ´rumored´to be f2p? haha, by whom, all the people who can´t afford $15 per month? There is NO WAY Blizzard would create a MMO and launch it f2p. Remember, Titan was planned when WOW really became runaway successful.. when it was going from 2 to 6M players seemingly over night. I have no doubt, and would bet $100 on the fact that Titan is going to be COD in space with a $15/month subscription. It will definitely be a FPS and will have a theme drastically different than WOW, that way there is no cannablising. Basically Activision looked at all those COD players and said ´wouldn´t it be great if we had them paying $15 per month like the 6M WOW players do.´ My only doubt about Titan is if it will be sci-fi based (laser type weapons) of it will be more modern-type weaponry like CoD.
    Blizzard said that titan was an mmorpg not and mmofps. I believe it was Morhaime.
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  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The fanboys, Wow addicts, wow Zelots, blizzard asskissers, wow lovers whatever you want to call them are just a belligerent as the haters and way more vocal
    You're kidding me right? We get hate threads every week on these forums and barely a "WoW love" thread once a month. Negativity is more louder than the pleased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    You're kidding me right? We get hate threads every week on these forums and barely a "WoW love" thread once a month. Negativity is more louder than the pleased.

    Any time someone says anything Negativite about wow a legion of people are on the thread calling them a hater and bashing them.

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Archdruid Dehydrate View Post
    Yet back in the day we didn't have the stuff we had today, We were still new to raiding it wasn't until Wrath that it started to become veterans. Raiding was only hard back due to many factors that differ from today. We didn't have DBM big wigs until around Sun Well. You got hit like a truck and barely had to move in old raids, it was basically avoid standing in sit & your good.

    A great interview by Method on Method explains it all: http://manaflask.com/en/article/2038...gm-and-members

    Raiding is still hard as ever its just were seasoned vets will all these utilities / website / tests / addons at are disposal it just makes things easier. Yet without those addons it would be just like back in the day just alot more things to avoid and more diffcult to down a boss. The whole Vanilla / TBC raiding was hard doesn't work when you actually experienced it first hand & understand the true difference from today and back than, That back than we didn't have those addons in Molten Core.

    Addons & all are other utilities / sources make raiding easier, yet the raids would be just as hard or more difficult without it all. Expanding to allow casuals get a taste of raid content in there own enviroment is not cause Blizzard wants its called adapting to the ever changing market.

    What if Blizzard never made WoW where would MMOs be today? Not in the same place as they are today, as most of them wouldn't exist without WoW just like WoW woudn't exist without EQ as some say.
    This is only partly true. DBM and big wigs existed Back in TBC as early as Karazhan. I was a veteran raider then on a top guild that pushed progression, had all the attunements, and BIS gear while it was still relevant. Did most of the players that were not raiding have those addons? No, but the whole concept of addons was relatively new and beyond that there was no curse auto update feature you had to manually extract each addon each and every time you needed to update it. I would say many people had Cosmos as Thottbot used coordinates and the cosmos ui pack allowed you to find quest locations etc much easier.

    Raiding was more challenging back then because there has never been a game with boss mechanics like those before, ever, period. If there were there was not a 25 or 10 man coordinated effort required to beat them. Beyond even that VOIP programs were the only way to successfully explain new boss mechanics. It was truly the novelty of having something new and exciting put in front of us that had a truly level playing field that made The Burning Crusade the best expansion. Surely the game has evolved but I would describe the updates as more Evolutionary and not Revolutionary. WoltK was probably close as it provided more content and mostly balanced pvp, but they shifted scope when GC took over and the game has been seeing no revolutionary changed. In many ways I view Cataclysm and MoP as a giant leap backwards in terms of innovation.

    Having said all this, WoW will lose its player base as players grow weary of seeing the same old dog and pony show Blizzard continuously puts in front of them. i think you will see that the average player can only play WoW now for a few years tops before the fatigue sets in. I played since middle/end of Vanilla, raided and pvp'd hardcore through out TBC and Wrath, took a 6 month break in Cata after my laptop died and arena partners quit, then came back towards the end and played MoP for about 2 months before I just realized that I hadn't been happy since Wrath. It was my teammates from arena that kept me involved and they slowly converted to other games like LoL. Private servers could work, if you reset them and set up arms races with guilds. You see season based games being very successful on the web right now,from league of legends to browser based games like Travian. If you make a private server along those lines and make it competitive I would imagine they would be very successful. Just my 2 cents.

    Mark my words that unless they figure out a way to get back into the REVOLUTIONARY game design you will see WoW's numbers drop slowly, but steadily. I read MMO champ periodically to see patch notes, but I am disgusted by what I see, particularly when it comes to PvP. Others I am sure are as well. I really want to come back, hit all my WoW homies on my skype list and organize a reunion, but sadly there is no reason to play a game over and over and over. You can dress up a tired old whore in nice clothes, give her all the plastic surgery required to take 15-20 years off her face/body, but at the end of the day she is still the tired old whore that will become less and less desirable once the novelties of her window dressings wear off. Then she starves and dies. WoW is a tired old whore... let her rest.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Any time someone says anything Negativite about wow a legion of people are on the thread calling them a hater and bashing them.
    There are more examples of the negative people bashing the positive people. But what do you expect on a fansite about WoW? For everyone to rant about why they quit and have everyone agree with them?
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  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Any time someone says anything Negativite about wow a legion of people are on the thread calling them a hater and bashing them.
    My argument is and always has been that just because YOU'RE not liking the game doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat as you. I am merely saying that I am currently enjoying it. Have I always? No. But you can bet your ass and your bottom dollar that I didn't once feel the compulsion to make a thread about it.

    You don't like it? Fine, don't pay, don't play. I'm not going to feel sorry for you. In fact, I'm not going to feel anything for you. I don't care what you like or don't like. But anyone that's truly fed up enough to not play is merely wasting their time reading - much less POSTING - on a fan site dedicated to the very thing they have chosen is no longer for them. If you're here, it's for 1 of 3 reasons, you either like the game, you don't like the game and want to troll those that do, or you say you hate the game and you've gotten yourself convinced that you do, but you can't stop yourself from thinking about it which means you're addicted and need help. So let me help you if you're in that camp - get out, go outside, go find something you do like.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Any time someone says anything Negativite about wow a legion of people are on the thread calling them a hater and bashing them.
    Worse you get threads that are just BEGGING for people to come and cheerlead. Eg:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...eople-hate-MoP

    quo erad demonstratum. For every SLIGHT and MILD criticism you may have against the game a legion of people will come and tell you why you are wrong. The question is why they protest so much at every little negative thing you can bring up? If they were so confident about how amazing the game was then it really shouldn't matter if negative aspects are brought to light. Me thinks the ladies doth protest to much...

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Worse you get threads that are just BEGGING for people to come and cheerlead. Eg:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...eople-hate-MoP

    quo erad demonstratum. For every SLIGHT and MILD criticism you may have against the game a legion of people will come and tell you why you are wrong. The question is why they protest so much at every little negative thing you can bring up? If they were so confident about how amazing the game was then it really shouldn't matter if negative aspects are brought to light. Me thinks the ladies doth protest to much...
    Funny how you bring up that thread, and not the many more threads of people asking if you've quit, or telling you why the game is bad. That one thread out of a dozen negative threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    There are more examples of the negative people bashing the positive people. But what do you expect on a fansite about WoW? For everyone to rant about why they quit and have everyone agree with them?
    MMO champ not WOW champ and not saying everyone has to agree either. either way this is derailing the thread so yea

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Worse you get threads that are just BEGGING for people to come and cheerlead. Eg:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...eople-hate-MoP

    quo erad demonstratum. For every SLIGHT and MILD criticism you may have against the game a legion of people will come and tell you why you are wrong. The question is why they protest so much at every little negative thing you can bring up? If they were so confident about how amazing the game was then it really shouldn't matter if negative aspects are brought to light. Me thinks the ladies doth protest to much...

    I have noticed the same things but none the less that has really nothing to do with the sub numbers

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Funny how you bring up that thread, and not the many more threads of people asking if you've quit, or telling you why the game is bad. That one thread out of a dozen negative threads.
    Go look at the first page in the general forums. How many negative threads to do you see? ONE.. count em ONE and that's not even talking about quitting it's a mild criticism about the way 25 man raids are handled. Your awful sensitive about a game that is soooooooooo spectacular.

  14. #234
    I'm always amused by the amount of people that, for one reason or another, have stopped playing wow and then come to threads like this and make statements of how many subs wow is going to lose etc.

    If you don't like playing the game and have quit, why do you care how many subs it has?

    If you don't like playing the game but haven't quit, there are bigger concerns than how many subs wow will lose or gain.

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    Prediction? That's easy! I predict that there is absolutely no number or data that could be released that won't generate a thread complaining about the data. Depending on the particular trend, we can also guess who will probably post that thread.

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    MMO champ not WOW champ and not saying everyone has to agree either. either way this is derailing the thread so yea
    Just because the name says "MMO champ" doesn't change the fact this is a wow fansite.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Go look at the first page in the general forums. How many negative threads to do you see? ONE.. count em ONE and that's not even talking about quitting it's a mild criticism about the way 25 man raids are handled. Your awful sensitive about a game that is soooooooooo spectacular.
    A circle jerk of people who quit WoW.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-that-quit-wow
    Quitting because of movie
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...cause-of-movie
    Most of it is people wanting MoP or casuals or key futures removed. Overall complaining
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...thing-from-WoW
    Guy lying and trying to try up negativity.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...n-HUH-NNOOO!!!
    Pointless thread about a guy's opinion.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...WoW-went-wrong
    Guy trying to stir people up and trolling.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...rent-expansion

    There are also a bunch of locked short threads of people trying to troll but quickly shut down. And this was only from last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Just because the name says "MMO champ" doesn't change the fact this is a wow fansite.

    Besides wow I see stuff for Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, League of Legends, Minecraft, Rift, Star Wars: The Old Republic.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    Besides wow I see stuff for Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, League of Legends, Minecraft, Rift, Star Wars: The Old Republic.
    Yes, and to do that you scroll all the way down in the forum section to talk about them. That, or have 1 big announcement from one of those games every month or so. Neither of those discounts toward a WoW fansite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immapwnu88 View Post
    This is only partly true. DBM and big wigs existed Back in TBC as early as Karazhan. I was a veteran raider then on a top guild that pushed progression, had all the attunements, and BIS gear while it was still relevant. Did most of the players that were not raiding have those addons? No, but the whole concept of addons was relatively new and beyond that there was no curse auto update feature you had to manually extract each addon each and every time you needed to update it. I would say many people had Cosmos as Thottbot used coordinates and the cosmos ui pack allowed you to find quest locations etc much easier.

    Raiding was more challenging back then because there has never been a game with boss mechanics like those before, ever, period. If there were there was not a 25 or 10 man coordinated effort required to beat them. Beyond even that VOIP programs were the only way to successfully explain new boss mechanics. It was truly the novelty of having something new and exciting put in front of us that had a truly level playing field that made The Burning Crusade the best expansion. Surely the game has evolved but I would describe the updates as more Evolutionary and not Revolutionary. WoltK was probably close as it provided more content and mostly balanced pvp, but they shifted scope when GC took over and the game has been seeing no revolutionary changed. In many ways I view Cataclysm and MoP as a giant leap backwards in terms of innovation.

    Having said all this, WoW will lose its player base as players grow weary of seeing the same old dog and pony show Blizzard continuously puts in front of them. i think you will see that the average player can only play WoW now for a few years tops before the fatigue sets in. I played since middle/end of Vanilla, raided and pvp'd hardcore through out TBC and Wrath, took a 6 month break in Cata after my laptop died and arena partners quit, then came back towards the end and played MoP for about 2 months before I just realized that I hadn't been happy since Wrath. It was my teammates from arena that kept me involved and they slowly converted to other games like LoL. Private servers could work, if you reset them and set up arms races with guilds. You see season based games being very successful on the web right now,from league of legends to browser based games like Travian. If you make a private server along those lines and make it competitive I would imagine they would be very successful. Just my 2 cents.

    Mark my words that unless they figure out a way to get back into the REVOLUTIONARY game design you will see WoW's numbers drop slowly, but steadily. I read MMO champ periodically to see patch notes, but I am disgusted by what I see, particularly when it comes to PvP. Others I am sure are as well. I really want to come back, hit all my WoW homies on my skype list and organize a reunion, but sadly there is no reason to play a game over and over and over. You can dress up a tired old whore in nice clothes, give her all the plastic surgery required to take 15-20 years off her face/body, but at the end of the day she is still the tired old whore that will become less and less desirable once the novelties of her window dressings wear off. Then she starves and dies. WoW is a tired old whore... let her rest.
    Well I do like your response, but DBM didn't release until maybe before or during Sunwell, TBC released with Kara in Jan 2007 so unless you started to do Kara when DBM released I guess I can agree with you. An what mechanics back than? you mean the Tank & Spank get hit like a truck ones, AoE heal & Dps like a mad man and hope nothing drops on you?? Its wasn't that hard you just had to be quick & alot of people were new to raiding in TBC so maybe thats why it seemed hard & amazing. I was in Nightmare's Asylum from Vanilla - Wrath. There are somethings about raiding I don't like & do miss. I only thing I don't like about current raiding is something comes down to me, I don't have the time commitment to raid at a top level anymore. Back than you gave up 3-4 nights for raiding you start at said time & only push over if need too.

    Back than I had alot of free time nowadays I don't and I'm greatful for LFR even if its filled horrible players I can still access raid content something that love an would love to go back & compete on a high level again. But time is something I don't have anymore. I'm one of many people who got to raid MC / BWL / OL / Naxx 40 on a 3-4 week schedule and I'm proud of my accomplishments same in TBC. But myself & many other people found it only hard as it something brand new to us and we were learning and wanted to be the best 8 years later. I'm many people are seasoned veterans at raiding with everything we have it takes less time to learn than it was back than. Learning curve is much easier the raids are still as hard & wont get any more difficult, Guild will done content no matter how much Blizzard throws at them. WoW doesn't need anything innovative its 8 years old that what Titan is for.

    But like I said I like your post and understand completely where your coming from, We just seen Back in the day raiding differently I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The fanboys, Wow addicts, wow Zelots, blizzard asskissers, wow lovers whatever you want to call them are just a belligerent as the haters and way more vocal
    Really? We hardly have those people on this forum.
    What we do have are people that are allergic to bullshit.

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