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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakso View Post
    Orange Caramels fish suits were really nice looking dresses colored to look like fish scales, they are really well crafted.

    The only way you could have compared OC to Balloons is if they came out wearing this, not double standards at all, in addition, OCs song wasn't really very Aegyo either. It was fun and silly, not cutsey and Aegyo like balloons. A comparison to balloons can't even be drawn let alone a reason to claim double standards.

    In general I agree, groups do get better after they stop the Aegyo phase really. Twinkle is Aegyo done right though imo :< It's fun and silly as well as Aegyo, but Girls Day definitely got better when they stopped.
    Ok, maybe not the best parallel to draw, but it was the most recent aegyo-ish song I could think of. Even still, I believe there are double standards. Male groups get away with sexy concepts easier than girl groups. On the other hand, girl groups can get away with being cutesy without people complaining too much. *Shrug*

    And I that Twinkle Twinkle is aegyo done right. As far as I'm aware, it's a borderline parody of aegyo concepts. But this friend of mine tends to mock my obsession with k-pop because, to her, k-pop is about 30-year old women trying to be cute.

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    There are plenty of female sexy concepts and male aegyo concepts no one complains about, it's when they go too far that it's a problem

    Like Steller gropping their own butts and bathing in milk and having milk run down her lips to her breasts..maybe a bit too over the top.
    And TVXQ dancing around in animal costumes for a full MV..maybe also a bit too far there.

    Like wise a video with a girl group dancing around in animal costumes doing the aegyo hand movements and faces for a full MV would be a bit too far and if a guy was bathing in milk (or maybe wearing just a tiny leather outfit such as in NOP) that's a bit too far as well.

    Example of good male Aegyo (as much as BHD doesn't like them for some reason, I also linked another one in my cutsey list with K-hunter)
    Example of female sexy not taken too far (notice the lack of ass groping and milk)

    Also random funny thing reading the comments on that last video:
    "So how exactly do fans do a cover of this song?"

    "Hahaha, I started to learn pole dance
    I am almost ready to record my own "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakso View Post
    Ah okay, you might have seen some if you watch many SNSD montages like me and Asme do. There is one scene in particular (past the half way point iirc so it would be like part 4) that is used in many of those funny montages
    It involves them dancing to the original version of Girls Generation (the song) prior to them doing a cover to it even if I remember right, as this was one of their first shows.
    Haven't watched any montages in forever :/ From the intro I did recognize a gif I have of Yoona though ^^
    Black sunglasses with skinny jeans, that's me
    With groovy steps, skinny red, that's me
    All my people on the web (click me)
    All my people on sites (click me)
    singin' lalalalalalala

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    Aw, I don't watch as many as I used to but every now and then I'll find my self in the SNSD montage area of youtube and just start clicking through xD

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    I dunno, Ana, both the videos you linked lacked enough dairy/gwiyomi to keep me interest. And both songs were boring. I strongly dislike Boyfriend and everything they do. But, I guess I get your point.

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    Love Style was the first song I liked from them but they didn't peak my interest properly until Janus and I Yah, do you like them or have you heard them?

    Janus is a fantastic song and so is I Yah, I Yah has a better MV though by my standards, Janus would by BHDs standards so it depends what kind of MV you like

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    I've heard quite a few of their songs, Janus and I Yah included. Not feeling it. The only song they've made I don't actively dislike is I Yah, and I feel the same way about it as I do Rainbow Blaxx' Cha Cha. It's not bad, just underwhelming.

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    best I Yah

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    Cha Cha - Cha cha cha cha cha!

    Aw, well I like them anyway
    Although Cha Cha doesn't compare to Sunshine at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migari View Post
    best I Yah

    [video=youtube;kHQuI2TdYAA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHQuI2TdYAA[video]
    Ew .

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    "2NE1 says they are doing a sexy concept with their current comeback"

    You keep telling your self that girls.

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    Mig, couldn't you have found a video with slightly higher sound quality? Or was that just the general late-90s production value? I can't remember how the world worked back then. Song sounds pretty great, tho. Wasn't H.O.T. kinda the shit? Like, they were the pioneers of what we know as k-pop today, with the boy/girl groups?
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    Ana, I honestly can't tell if they're joking or not. I have a feeling they are.

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    I can't either.

    And H.O.T was one of them Pistol, along with G.O.D(Where Taewoo comes from) and for the girl groups S.E.S and FIN.KL (Where Lee Hyori comes from)

    G.O.D actually have some decent songs but I have not liked anything by H.O.T, S.E.S or FIN.KL at all. Kpop back then really just did not sound good to me.

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    I said this earlier but was in a big post so might have been missed.

    Old Kpop to me is like the generic Jpop music that makes good Jpop so hard to find, I think it took Kpop a while to find their own sound and then they did they became good

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPink View Post
    And I that Twinkle Twinkle is aegyo done right. As far as I'm aware, it's a borderline parody of aegyo concepts. But this friend of mine tends to mock my obsession with k-pop because, to her, k-pop is about 30-year old women trying to be cute.
    You should show her some 9Muses, they are mid 20s woman who try to be strong sexy independent woman. Or show her some G.NA, BoA, Lee Hyori... i can think of several girls who feel strong and independent rather than the new groups with young girls.
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    I was amusing myself with the thought of looking up what all of them abbreviated names stands for, but then I remembered when I did it for U-KISS and VIXX. I am a smarter man, and have therefore not done it. JK! H.O.T. stands for High-Five Of Teenagers. And g.o.d. stands for Groove Over Dose. And Fin.K.L. obviously stands for Fin Killing Liberty.

    I generally don't mind the older k-pop. I just cringe at their MVs. And styling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagdar View Post
    You should show her some 9Muses, they are mid 20s woman who try to be strong sexy independent woman. Or show her some G.NA, BoA, Lee Hyori... i can think of several girls who feel strong and independent rather than the new groups with young girls.
    That really requires actually being able to get her to listen again. I fear I spooked the poor girl too much. I think BoA would be a good place to start. She's a solo artist, so she can't complain about it being a group with a thousand members, and she's relatively unoffensive. Perhaps throw in some SHINee, since she was pretty into the boy band craze in the 90s.

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    High-Five of Teenagers is the only one I knew lol.

    S.E.S is just their names at least
    You could also try with with some Kiss&Cry Pistol. Then when she asks "where are their awful cutsey songs" you can be like that's their only song HA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakso View Post
    High-Five of Teenagers is the only one I knew lol.

    S.E.S is just their names at least
    You could also try with with some Kiss&Cry Pistol. Then when she asks "where are their awful cutsey songs" you can be like that's their only song HA!
    But I don't like Kiss&Cry myself.
    I guess SPICA would be a decent choice, tho.

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    yeah most old K-pop is shit but there are some good ones

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    Yea go with Spica!

    And then follow it up with this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakso View Post
    And then follow it up with this
    I almost feel like I should report you for harrasment at this point. Q.Q

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    link her this BoA song. it's in english even though it's k-pop!

    Or this entire english G.NA album
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    Mig that song is really nice thanks for that, but that isn't what I mean when I say old Kpop either. They debuted 4years after H.O.T disbanded lol. That song you linked was not only released the same year as Gee (which was in the past yea but not "old kpop" like H.O.T and G.O.D) but also not even Kpop, that song be Japanese yo!'

    Poor Pistol, you had to know what that one would be though! Maybe my joke wasn't obvious enough xD

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