The Nordic Super Model

[Funkthepunk]

Knowing that you will have a job if you push over the university doesn't make you study harder or push yourself. That is the whole point of the detrimental impact of lack of competition in Social countries.

Passing exams = job is bad design.

Sorry to break it for you, but the job market in Scandinavian countries is based on basic market mechanisms. There is no minimum wage in Denmark, however the real wage over a period of time is decided in agreement between an organization who is demanding a specific type of labour, and a union that is supplying such type of labour, where the agreement usually doesn't last more than a handful of years. Since the inflation in Denmark has been very stable for a long time now, agreements regarding the real wage is able to be made over a long time span.

Because of the existence of unions, according to the theory of trade unions and unemployment, and because of the Danish economy being based on market mechanisms as well as the labour market being characterised as a imperfect competition with imperfect information, we can now derrive that the Danish labour market will in fact have unemployment...

Since we just derrived that there exists unemployment in the Danish labour market, and in rest of Scandinavia too, as well as being able to back this statement up with historical facts, how the heck did you manage to arrive to the following conclusion: "Passing exams = job"...???

[Cattaclysmic]

Sorry to break it for you, but the job market in Scandinavian countries is based on basic market mechanisms. There is no minimum wage in Denmark, however the real wage over a period of time is decided in agreement between an organization who is demanding a specific type of labour, and a union that is supplying such type of labour, where the agreement usually doesn't last more than a handful of years. Since the inflation in Denmark has been very stable for a long time now, agreements regarding the real wage is able to be made over a long time span.

Because of the existence of unions, according to the theory of trade unions and unemployment, and because of the Danish economy being based on market mechanisms as well as the labour market being characterised as a imperfect competition with imperfect information, we can now derrive that the Danish labour market will in fact have unemployment...

Since we just derrived that there exists unemployment in the Danish labour market, and in rest of Scandinavia too, as well as being able to back this statement up with historical facts, how the heck did you manage to arrive to the following conclusion: "Passing exams = job"...???

He thought so because i said that was the case for me. Studying Medicine secures you a job somewhere according to the KBU lottery. I may be sent to the most deserted part of the country for a year but I'll have a job.

[Cybran]

They aren't stealing. Your doctors leave of own volition.

Yeah right. Just as much as dailies are a choice.

[Cattaclysmic]

Yeah right. Just as much as dailies are a choice.

I dont do dailies... :/

[Uzi]

It's obvious that Nordic countries are the best. Every country should head that way.

[Cattaclysmic]

It's obvious that Nordic countries are the best. Every country should head that way.

Not better than best Korea though.

[HolgerDK]

Doesn't Mærsk build all their shit in China anyway?

I think a shipping freightliner constructed in Denmark would be laughably expensive if they didn't.

The E-class of freighters was build in Denmark, the newer Tripple-E class under construction is being build in South Korea.

[Cattaclysmic]

The E-class of freighters was build in Denmark, the newer Tripple-E class under construction is being build in South Korea.

Yea, i remember reading about Korea being at the forefront of the "super" freighters...

[Wookeh]

I went to a "Swedish immigration" thing here in The Netherlands a year ago since i'm moving there. The demand for doctors is (dentists mainly from what i could see) was huge! But hardly anyone was interested in them because the demand was mainly in areas where nobody really lives such as Gällivare and Vilhelmina. Lots of IT'ers as well as plummers and expert engineers. I remember when my mother went about 8 years ago the demand for construction workers was high as well, but i guess the Polish took that over or something since the demand was... well pretty much gone.

[saffi]

Too many immigrants? fuck yes they are all over and im SICK of them, leeching money from this land! Enough of them already. We are like a nation full of red cross help man, ffs. Im not a racist, but I see many new immigrants showing up all the time and its not pleasing. We have enough of them already.

Sure, but: http://www.dn.se/debatt/sociala-prob...-fa-invandrare
For the non-swedes: the article talks about the fact that the most problematic neighbourhoods are the one with low numbers of foreigners.

[Cattaclysmic]

I went to a "Swedish immigration" thing here in The Netherlands a year ago since i'm moving there. The demand for doctors is (dentists mainly from what i could see) was huge! But hardly anyone was interested in them because the demand was mainly in areas where nobody really lives such as Gällivare and Vilhelmina. Lots of IT'ers as well as plummers and expert engineers. I remember when my mother went about 8 years ago the demand for construction workers was high as well, but i guess the Polish took that over or something since the demand was... well pretty much gone.

The less sought after the hospital/district the higher the pay usually is.

[Tomatketchup]

Too many immigrants? fuck yes they are all over and im SICK of them, leeching money from this land! Enough of them already. We are like a nation full of red cross help man, ffs. Im not a racist, but I see many new immigrants showing up all the time and its not pleasing. We have enough of them already.

I'm not racist, yet I generalize and imply that a large chunk of immigrants only come here to leech off the country!

[Methanar]

Knowing that you will have a job if you push over the university doesn't make you study harder or push yourself. That is the whole point of the detrimental impact of lack of competition in Social countries.

Passing exams = job is bad design.

Implying paying 100,000s of dollars in school fees then never getting a job is better.

[Jackmoves]

There was a documentary about why our doctors keep leaving after they finish university. They said USA, Australia and New Zeland "leech" doctors from the UK and Scandinavia by offering better pay and better conditions. This is one of the many reasons there is a shortage.

Mainly from Germany, Baltic and Balkan countries. You are stealing our doctors and we have a much more severe shortage. You are fixing you problem by fucking over smaller and poorer countries. GG

We live in a pretty globalized world my friend, you can't force people to stay somewhere, people are free to move.

Reminds me of this conversation ;P

- yeah, I'll have to do it myself, Tomek had to go back to Poland for the week, he's in the process of renovating his house over there or rather it's not him, he's getting some Ukrainians to help him do it
- so the polacks are getting ukrainians to do renovation work?
- yeah they are apparently really cheap and good at what they do
- ok so who does the ukrainians hire when they want work done?
- Uzbekians
- Uzbekians?
- yeah there are a lot of Uzbekians in Ukraine doing work under the table
- and who does the Uzbekians go to when they need work done?
- Thats Sida I guess, thats you and me, swedish tax money

[Cybran]

We live in a pretty globalized world my friend, you can't force people to stay somewhere, people are free to move.

But Sweden kicked out 500 seasonal workers that were scammed there 2 years ago. It's pretty hypocritical to leech only the useful people and kick out the rest, agree?

[Jackmoves]

But Sweden kicked out 500 seasonal workers that were scammed there 2 years ago. It's pretty hypocritical to leech only the useful people and kick out the rest, agree?

We didn't kick them out, they wanted out since they got scamed. I think the Bulgarian embassy paid for a few buss loads, and there was also swedes who helped pay for some busses. Not sure what happend to that guy who scamed them.

There are a lot of seasonal workers that are not being scamed as well, who are able to make a "decent" pay that will last them quite long back home.