He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
ive always wondered that if nerzhul/arthas/lich king are truly defeated and its just bolvar in there, then why did his voice change when he put on the helm of domination?
Quote where Metzen said that Ner'zhul was gone or whatever. Because when I read the book it just sounded like Arthas completely suppressed Ner'zhul's control over him. But, even that sounded fishy to me. Because it still seemed like Ner'zhul kind of.. let him believe that Arthas had won because it gave him even more incentive to be evil? It was when Arthas was in his head, slaying Ner'zhul and his younger child innocent self.
And as the guy above me asked, if Ner'zhul is dead, then what power does Bolvar have? He just has an empty helmet. Neither Arthas nor Bolvar had any powers of necromancy or connecting to spirits or control over the dead before they put on the helm, the only reason Arthas was able to was because Ner'zhul did. The helm isn't empowered, all of the power came from Ner'zhul's torture by Kil'Jaeden and his own shamanistic and warlock background. You can't just kill off Ner'zhul AND Arthas, and still have a random helm that grants Bolvar the ability to control the scourge?
That just doesn't add up to me. If you're talking about the book, you need to reread the passage because it could be left WIIIDDEE open to interpretation. If Metzen himself said that Ner'zhul is permanently gone and dead, and Arthas' soul isn't trapped in the helmet similarly to Ner'zhul... then Metzen needs to fine tune his story and explain how this whole scourge thing is still happening. It just doesn't add up that Ner'zhul is dead. It also doesn't make sense that Ner'zhul would be dead because.. well... Ner'zhul is a bad ass and doesn't deserve to be killed off in some pyschic feud with some pansy whiny know-nothing spoiled brat prince.
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Where is this shortstory? I'm curious because I keep seeing people post about Velen's prophecy and all of this other stuff and haven't actually read the lore part of it. Was it something in the comics?
I agree with you.
The book showed Arthas took control from Ner'Zhul announcing he would be the only Lich King. Ner'Zhul was not attacked in his head he simply vanished. Arthas also impaled Mathias on frostmourne inside his head as well, but we all know from Wrath that didn't stop him from returning.
The book seemed to show a power struggle inside his head, Arthas won and buried Ner'Zhul and the little boy. The little boy returned, why not Ner'Zhul?
I believe Blizzard won't use Bolvar anymore.
Remember the Dread Lord in Icecrown? Balnazzar I think. He said we won't defeat the Lich King without his help and that they (the Legion / the Nathrezim?) will crush both the Lich King and us, or something like that.
I was excited to see the Dread Lord (and all enemies of Arthas) in Icecrown Citadel.
But in the end, as we know, we face the Lich King alone with only Tirion on our side.
No Muradin, he just stands around at the place where the Deathbringer was.
Sylvanas: No appearance for either faction.
Jaina: Teleports in with Varian and just leaves.. Varian only appeared in the entrance when the raidwide buff was released. He just camped there xD
All other faction leaders: Didn't care about the Lich King's defeat or what?
And, like described above, no Dread Lord who has promised he will get revenge on both the Lich King and on us.
Don't get me wrong, the encounter was cool. But only Tirion was a bit disappointing.
That's a sad weakness of Blizzard to not include lore characters in fights where they belong to, besides the Aspects at the Maelstrom.
Like Grand Empress Shek'zeer.. Where are the Klaxxi? Only a few have been impaled in the Palace Antechamber and those were apparently no Paragons.
At least Captain Lorewalker is guiding us in the Mogu'shan Vaults. Just a little more NPC influence in raids would be cool.
Yeah, it was a bit Offtopic. Sorry for that.
But after all that, the possibility is high that they do not pick up Bolvar again. Like they did with N'zoth and Azshara. Perhaps the latter will follow in an addon, but come on, so much rumour about both of them in Cataclysm and then MoP drops and they're "forgotten"?
Let our last stand burn a memory so bright we will be rememberd forever! En Taro Tassadar!
That scene ingame might not have been written in the book, but I am pretty certain this was the chronological way of events.
Also remember the Sylvanas short story where she visits the void after death. She sees him there, a terrified little boy for all eternity in darkness.
1) In the book Matthias Lehner, Arthas's manifestation of humanity was supposedly killed by Arthas himself during his dream state after merging with Ner'zhul. And yet here we have a big questline in Icecrown where he seems to be perfectly fine working as a tour guide about Arthas's humanity all over Icecrown.
2) The book states that Ner'zhul dissapeared, not killed, absorbed, subdued, banished... simply dissapeared. So it doesnt definetely states that Ner'zhul was gone for good. If he really was controlled or absorbed in any way shape or form by Arthas, there would be a clear indication of it when he was finally free from Lich King (himself according to book) grasp.
3) Back to the Matthias's quest line. At the end of it we destroy his heart which supposedly (or adleast according to Tirion) was the last remnant of his humanity, and yet here we are at WotLK last cinematic and see as our chap Arthas free from Lich King (according to book his own) grasp seems to be rather relieved with the fact that "it is over". Funny... for someone who has no heart or humanity left, he sure seemed to be quite "relieved" when he said "I see".
Lich King lore is a freaking mess that makes no sense whether you look it from book or game perspective. My bet is that blizzard will pull of cop-out story where Ner'zhul hid his spirit inside the helm while Lich King (Arthas according to book, Fusion minus Arthas's heart/humanity according to facts known by our characters) struggle agianst heroes (10/25 man raid) where his dominance over him was at it weakest. After that Ner'zhul probably waited for a new host to come by and put on the crown. Poor ol' Bolvar is probably having a quarrel or two with Ner'zhul over who gets the top bed haha.
In Vanilla we has naxx where when we reached Kelthuzad, he calls to his master and his master ANSWERS back, i remember pissing my pants in the first time i fought him in reaction to that. but it wasnt until after TBC (where no LK and undead were mentioned, though just as now not "forgotten" as we saw later)