Seeking advice on new gaming system

**LordKain** · 2013-02-04, 05:37 PM

Edit:

Look like my friend just took the most expensive pc he saw and said "Get this!". I'll make sure to smack him one next time I see him.

Budget: Budget is about $4,000. Been saving for a while. I might be able to squeeze a bit more without having the wife castrate me!

Resolution: Resolution...hmm, been stuck at 1680 x 1050 for years now with my old pc. So, 1920 x 1080 minimum...which means I'll also need to get a new monitor.

Games / Settings Desired: I love gaming so I would like to run the lastest games on max!

Country: US

Parts that can be reused: Nope, everything needs to be upgraded.

Do you need an OS?: Windows 7 for now but most likely will upgrade to windows 8 in the future

Do you need peripherals?: My speakers are still relativity new & my logitech g15 keyboard & razer deathadder are still working fine. Everything else would need a upgrade.

Looking over Marest's Sample Builds thread, the extreme gaming 2700 look like the best option...but I could go higher if it means not having to upgrade for a while.

Thanks for the advice so far!

**shroudster** · 2013-02-04, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by LordKain

Sigh, I really hate doing this.....

I have a 6 year old dell gaming pc that just isn't cutting it anymore...and I'm extremely out of touch with the new tech. Since I've been saving for some time now I want to get the best. Something that I don't have to worry about upgrading for a few years.

My friend suggested getting a gaming pc from tiger direct. Here's the link to the build he suggested:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...6830&CatId=114

There are no serious reviews on this system except one saying that minecraft doesn't run well.....

So, what do you guys think?

either your friend is a troll or he has no clue about tech either......
any chance you could check the sticky for request a build? (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-build-Read-me!)
edit that into your FP and we can help you for sure.

**Toffie** · 2013-02-04, 05:49 PM

lol... They have a bunch of shit optimized and INSANEELY overpriced computers.

**chazus** · 2013-02-04, 06:18 PM

I'm pretty sure you got trolled, man.

That system is more built for video rendering server/workstation, not gaming. Disregard it entirely and have a proper system built, as per what the guys above said.

**jholdaway** · 2013-02-04, 06:18 PM

What's your budget like? Are you going to need Mouse, keyboard, monitor(s) and headset?

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($157.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($520.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($520.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($244.96 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($191.82 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VE278Q 27.0" Monitor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VE278Q 27.0" Monitor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $3193.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-04 15:40 EST-0500)

This would almost be my dream computer if I had the money

**orangeaccord311** · 2013-02-04, 09:04 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.50 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($157.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($287.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($101.60 @ Mac Connection)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($38.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus PA248Q 24.1" Monitor ($318.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($135.62 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1695.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Alternatively you could wait for Haswell / Nvidia7 series to drop in a couple months here, though I doubt they will bring any substantial increases to the table.

**Notarget** · 2013-02-04, 09:28 PM

Haha an Antec VP-450 in a $1700 PC, you're funny.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BL 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($182.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($157.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($226.99 @ Mac Mall)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair CC650DW ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.93 @ Mac Connection)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 660W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($140.71 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($26.20 @ Mwave)
Monitor: Dell U2412M 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($296.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $2067.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-04 16:24 EST-0500)

You can bump the SSD to a 512GB unit if you have A LOT of games and programs, 256GB should cover most with no issue. You can always add a second GPU later on, start with a single really good GPU and take it from there. Dell U2713HM 60Hz 27.0" is really nice but also $600 so yeah...

**shroudster** · 2013-02-04, 09:32 PM

perhaps overkill but certainly will last you quite some time.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X60 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($140.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: EVGA 151-SE-E779-K2 XL ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($314.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($184.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: OCZ Vector Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($539.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($468.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($468.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($185.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case ($129.51 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 1000W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($214.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell U2713HM 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($599.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $4044.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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can downgrade ssd/hdd(or take only 1) to hit that exact 4k mark.

**Huike** · 2013-02-04, 09:36 PM

I would buy two of the gtx 660s or 670s and use them in SLI, I also wouldn't cheap out on the CPU. its worth it to drop 1000 on a chip if u arent afraid of overclocking

**orangeaccord311** · 2013-02-04, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Notarget

Haha an Antec VP-450 in a $1700 PC, you're funny.

Yup I'm not sure where the fuck I was going with that choice

I'll drop this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817207014

as a replacement psu.

**shroudster** · 2013-02-04, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Huike

I would buy two of the gtx 660s or 670s and use them in SLI, I also wouldn't cheap out on the CPU. its worth it to drop 1000 on a chip if u arent afraid of overclocking

better the other way around........ (cpu's beyond the 3770k are rarely if ever a bottleneck, perhaps already from a 3570k)
also a 4k total budget and getting 660's? that is not worthwhile at all. (670's are also lacking compared to what we can fit in the build)

**orangeaccord311** · 2013-02-04, 09:54 PM

better the other way around........ (cpu's beyond the 3770k are rarely if ever a bottleneck, perhaps already from a 3570k)
also a 4k total budget and getting 660's? that is not worthwhile at all. (670's are also lacking compared to what we can fit in the build)

If he is only stepping up to 1080p a 660ti would be sufficient to play anything out there or coming down the pipe. Notarget's build is more on target to go above 1080p with good results. Go ahead and spend another $1000 on an i7x/680x2 setup, but i consider it wasted money.

**shroudster** · 2013-02-04, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by orangeaccord311

If he is only stepping up to 1080p a 660ti would be sufficient to play anything out there or coming down the pipe. Notarget's build is more on target to go above 1080p with good results. Go ahead and spend another $1000 on an i7x/680x2 setup, but i consider it wasted money.

or consider it ready for the next jump in resolution when it arrives instead of replacing parts every new generations due to it being middle of the pack cards.

**orangeaccord311** · 2013-02-04, 10:26 PM

or consider it ready for the next jump in resolution when it arrives instead of replacing parts every new generations due to it being middle of the pack cards

So he should be buying a setup now that is ready for a jump to a 4k monitor when that becomes mainstream in 3-4 years? Those cards will be getting replaced by then anyways and spending the extra 500$ now to run games at 1080p would have been a waste.

**shroudster** · 2013-02-04, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by orangeaccord311

So he should be buying a setup now that is ready for a jump to a 4k monitor when that becomes mainstream in 3-4 years? Those cards will be getting replaced by then anyways and spending the extra 500$ now to run games at 1080p would have been a waste.

or lets ask if he is patient enough to wait for the titan to arrive?
still single card should be preffered over SLI/CF. (shitty drivers at release of new games/bad scaling mmo/potential heat problems , need i go on?)
1 680 > 2 660's

**orangeaccord311** · 2013-02-04, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by shroudster

or lets ask if he is patient enough to wait for the titan to arrive?
still single card should be preffered over SLI/CF. (shitty drivers at release of new games/bad scaling mmo/potential heat problems , need i go on?)
1 680 > 2 660's

I agree a single card would be a better solution that's why I'm saying he should get a 660ti if he wants to upgrade to 1080p. If he wants to step up in resolution then make the jump to a 680.

**shroudster** · 2013-02-04, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by orangeaccord311

I agree a single card would be a better solution that's why I'm saying he should get a 660ti if he wants to upgrade to 1080p. If he wants to step up in resolution then make the jump to a 680.

i'd say a 660Ti is a great card but lacks that little oompfh to max out the likes of crysis3. (just going by what the OP specified in the FP with new games at max settings)
then there is also the pretty much non issue of budget

**orangeaccord311** · 2013-02-04, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by shroudster

i'd say a 660Ti is a great card but lacks that little oompfh to max out the likes of crysis3. (just going by what the OP specified in the FP with new games at max settings)
then there is also the pretty much non issue of budget

That's true, but Crysis is really the exception since their engines aim to be a high-end benchmark. Still I agree that if the OP wants to drop the extra cash the 680 will provide you with the security of a resolution upgrade + pretty much shitting on any game out there on ultra.

**anyaka21** · 2013-02-05, 06:43 AM

if you wanna go a little crazy, and this is definitely overkill, think about something like this

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($157.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($479.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($599.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($599.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($244.96 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($191.82 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Samsung S27A850D 27.0" Monitor ($679.21 @ TigerDirect)
Monitor: Samsung S27A850D 27.0" Monitor ($679.21 @ TigerDirect)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $4343.09
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-05 01:41 EST-0500)

You can definitely go 1 video card for both monitors without issue. And if that is the case, you could then drop to a lesser powersupply. And realistically you probably won't need 2 monitors. Or if you do, you might not wanna go 2 identical. You could use a 27" for gaming and a 2nd smaller one for just text type stuff.

Add that I just went to pretty much the best that I could find on pretty much all the stuff. You could easily drop to smaller ssd, 240-256gb size for at least half the price as well.

**LordKain** · 2013-02-05, 03:23 PM

Thanks everyone for your builds! A lot of info to digest. Wife was ok with going a bit over what I saved up....but she did start sharpening the knife! I'm thinking I might go with shoudster's build with a few minor changes. Would it be a waste getting 32 gigs of memory instead of 16?

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