T14 Shadow 4-set bonus and PW:Solace(Insanity)

[Dad]

So, im being insane cuz of this, was not able to find any word about..

Am i the only one who think that Shadow T14 4-set bonus is carp? really, 3 sec longer on 2 dots.. Q_Q

Or am i missing something? do i realy need to talent and use Insanity for that set bonus to be worth something?

Thanks for replys.

[Deleted]

the 4set will not make SW:I any better. it simply balances it against the longer duration SW:P

the 4set is ok. it's particularly useful on multidot fights

[Dad]

oh, thanks, i was afraid that i need some weird alternate rotation as it was with DS set bonus..

[snaxattax]

our 4 piece is pretty terrible. it's worth about half as much as the 2 piece. if our filler spells weren't so bad, then it might be worth something (like how the 4p set bonus works out for moonkin), but mindflay is just garbage.

they added the 15% to insanity because the talent was actually made worse (not just relatively worse, but the # of times you used it per minute went down) by the bonus before. they're removing the insanity portion on PTR, as insanity will be a new mechanic which will not be made weaker by a longer DoT.

[Twintop]

our 4 piece is pretty terrible. it's worth about half as much as the 2 piece.

Bull. Shit. Our 4P is about 1.25x as valuable than our 2P is in single target and 1.9x as valuable in multi-dot situations.

When 5.2 drops and SAs aren't as derpy, the relative values will level out a bit, but 4p will still be a bigger DPS gain than 2p.

[Cerbz]

Bull. Shit. Our 4P is about 1.25x as valuable than our 2P is in single target and 1.9x as valuable in multi-dot situations.

When 5.2 drops and SAs aren't as derpy, the relative values will level out a bit, but 4p will still be a bigger DPS gain than 2p.

I'm confused:

"The bottom section shows that the 2P set bonus is worth 589.6888 PP and the 4P set bonus is worth 366.2003 PP."

That's from your post on H2P for Shadow's BiS list.

[Twintop]

I'm confused:

"The bottom section shows that the 2P set bonus is worth 589.6888 PP and the 4P set bonus is worth 366.2003 PP."

That's from your post on H2P for Shadow's BiS list.

That's a static example in the header before the list (that does need updating, you're right) that explains how to read set bonuses and enhancements to items.

Here's from an actual item in the list:

(H) (V) (T14) Guardian Serpent Hood (509) + Burning Primal Diamond + Purified Imperial Amethyst
Token / Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha of Fear / Heroic-10/25
2351.2834 = 1140 + 152.5975 + 305.229 + 208.9449 + 544.512 {Mastery-to-Haste}
2419.4469 = 2351.2834 + 68.1635 {Valor Upgrade 1/2}
2490.8951 = 2419.4469 + 71.4482 {Valor Upgrade 2/2}
2982.0194 = 2351.2834 + 630.7360 {2P T14 Shadow}
3050.1829 = 2982.0194 + 68.1635 {2P T14 Shadow + Valor Upgrade 1/2}
3121.6311 = 3050.1829 + 71.4482 {2P T14 Shadow + Valor Upgrade 2/2}
3867.6664 = 2982.0194 + 885.6470 {4P T14 Shadow}
3935.8299 = 3867.6664 + 68.1635 {4P T14 Shadow + Valor Upgrade 1/2}
4007.2781 = 3935.8299 + 71.4482 {4P T14 Shadow + Valor Upgrade 2/2}

2p = 630
4p = 855

That's an average from single and multi target from different sim types, too.

[Cerbz]

That's a static example in the header before the list (that does need updating, you're right) that explains how to read set bonuses and enhancements to items.

Here's from an actual item in the list:



2p = 630
4p = 855

That's an average from single and multi target from different sim types, too.

I gotcha. Just wanted to be sure.