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    Already hackers on Crysis 3 Open Beta

    Hello guys.

    I have been playing the Crysis 3 Beta on the PC (2 hours of gameplay) and I enjoyed it a lot, the game could get more optimized but I'm cool with how the game is right now.

    The thing is that after only playing 2 hours I already found a hacker.

    You may think "Well it was a skilled guy and had a lucky shoot", yes, it could be, the thing is that when someone kills you on Crysis 3 you see a kill cam and you can barely see 1 or 2 seconds of kill cam after he kills you... and then is when you see how the guy is holding down the shoot button and he's insta-aiming to the head of everything he has around sometimes hitting people on the head doing 180º turns.

    There are some videos already on Youtube about people using hacks on Crysis 3, check this one.



    Come on, it's a friggin beta and we have hackers already!?

    This is SO frustrating to me since I really liked the game and I was going to get it on pre-order to get some cool perks... but now I don't know what to do, I hope Crytek sees this and tries to stop it by implementing some anti-cheating system like PB or something.
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    Doubtful, pretty much only hackers left on 2 from what I've heard.

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    What kind of low life do you have to be to hack in a beta?

    I hope EA just completely and totally ban hacker's origin account's. Every game they own on origin will be void. They really need to put down the foot on hackers hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombinator04 View Post
    What kind of low life do you have to be to hack in a beta?

    I hope EA just completely and totally ban hacker's origin account's. Every game they own on origin will be void. They really need to put down the foot on hackers hard.
    thats the problem isn't it, its a free game you just make a new account and your back in.
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    What little there is of the kill cams shows it to be an aimbot. There's not a person in the world that can aim that smoothly and switch targets so proficiently without at least some recoil or overshooting/undershooting the new target a little. Unfortunately, hackers exist and will continue to exist in online games. There's simply no way of outright stopping them.

    The same problems we're seeing here existed in BF3 alpha and beta, and continue to exist today. Although it's not quite so bad now, there are still a number of players who's aim is simply so far beyond 'perfect' that it's difficult to assume they're just good. Those who get 1-shot headshots (i.e. they fired no shots beforehand) through smoke and suppression, those who get multiple headshots with LMG's (which have massive recoil unless you're on a bipod and NOT being suppressed) from 500M+ with very little switch time and very few bullets, or even the infamous 1000M+ knife kills which while not as common today, do still exist (seeing people with 18 minutes played and 250 knife kills for example). There's more legit players than hackers, but there's still far too many that seems to be more than lucky. I've not once seen a speedhacker in BF3 though, which is strange considering how advantageous movement is to winning. Then again, the game has terrible hit detection so I'm guessing they went down a hybrid route regarding movement.

    Thing is, I've been banned from a server for "hacking" once before. I'd got 14 kills, and 3 deaths. Admin decided to ban me. They didn't take into account that my team had all 3 bases on the map (Metro conquest), and that I was using an LMG88 with Bipod and a very advantageous spot to kill them as they ran towards me. I should also add that right now, I'm rank 155 out of 124533 in the world (with that gun), and I regularly get over 100 kills and less than 30 deaths in a match (my record is something like 184 to 12 - but that was a fantastic round compared to every other). I'm not exceptional. I camp a lot when playing on the defence team and use the environment to my advantage (such as watching down a narrow gap, rather than being stood out in the open), but know how to run and gun with it when pushing for attack.

    Being banned for 14-3 and accused of 'hacking' was met with a long post on their forums (and I wasn't the only one), as well as one on Battlelog to inform the community about the admins there. A few weeks ago, they sent out a sob story email to everyone who'd signed up on their forums saying that because people had bitched about the admin banning people, they'd decided to shut down the server (and also mentioned multiple times that it's a free server that they were paying for and therefore they had a good reason to act like asses).

    I've been banned from 'no rules' servers for using 'forbidden weapons' or for 'using unfair tactics' (such as C4 on MCOM's - Hey, don't have 'no rules' in your server and then bitch-ban someone when they decide to do what they can to defend). Sometimes they don't even give a reason, and rejoining to ask why you were kicked (either for the hell of it, or so you know what not to do in future) just get's you kicked again. I generally rejoin one last time to call them out on their bullshit and that's the end of it. So, not all admins are innocent. The majority do ban hackers, and even the 'no rules' servers will ban for exploiting and hacking (which is all fine with me, game-legal gameplay should be maintained above all), but some admins do ban just for 'being good', even if your score really isn't that exceptional.

    Modern Warfare 2 was by far the worst. No dedicated servers and using VAC meant that cheaters weren't banned straight away, and that people would openly say they were hacking just because they could get away with it. Those that did get banned could get a few months play before VAC pushed the ban through, and then just buy a new account and use a different hack. The gameplay was some of my favourite, but the hackers that eventually took over were what pushed me out of the game and back to battlefield (BC2 specifically).

    If software exists, it can be hacked. Encrypting and verifying every packet being sent would go some way to providing a solution, but it'd also add massive overheads to the game reducing how well it runs (and in very heavy situations, that's a lot of extra burden for both the client CPU's and the server). Making most things run on the server does allow more security, but it's also important to make sure you don't go overboard and kill your gameplay (e.g. movement on the server is slow and laggy, while running it on the client and syncing it is better but more open to exploitation).

    I used to wish that Blizzard would add checks to ensure you can't move more than X distance in Y timeframe unless taking a portal (and even then, the checks would be performed in both places to ensure it was a legitimate port), but since speed hackers aren't as common these days, it seems a null point to bring it in now. I do think that the disconnection bug when jumping onto ramps or rocks that started to happen during Cataclysm was an effort to thwart those underground mining bots, but it caused a lot of problems for legit players (such as running into the bottom Horde tunnel in WSG or through the top Alliance entrance in WSG, those would cause a disconnect).

    Closing point is that people will cheat wherever they can. Most people are legit, but there's a minority who refuse to play by the rules. They refuse to get better. It's something that developers continue to fight against, but it's not a battle that can be won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombinator04 View Post
    What kind of low life do you have to be to hack in a beta?

    I hope EA just completely and totally ban hacker's origin account's. Every game they own on origin will be void. They really need to put down the foot on hackers hard.
    Actually it's far better if the hackers will expose the weaknesses of the game before it gets out of beta phase
    so the developer has time to fill the holes before the actual release.

    And people who create these hacking tools do it because they find it fun to break the games. You go play betas
    because you want to play the new game. They go to betas because they want to break the new game.

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    Unfortunatly this is probably the best place for these cocks to try out there hacks before the game goes live, playing a beta game testing a beta hack....betaception!!

    P.s all hackers should have there fingers chopped off so they cant play anything ever again. Just my 2 cents!!

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    There are going to be more in an open beta which simply requires you to register for a free account than in any live game - in a live game they have to purchase the game. Free betas give them a playground to test their mods in with absolutely no fear of any possible retribution.
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    This is EA we're talking about here, they're the worst company in the world. Battlefield 3 had hackers in open beta, medal of honor had hackers in open beta and every game in the last few years has had hackers in the betas. Even non EA games have hackers in betas, EA just doesn't care enough to nip it in the butt on release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakobro View Post
    Doubtful, pretty much only hackers left on 2 from what I've heard.
    Watch the video.

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    Seeing as games like this require an origin account that you have already bought a game on, couldn't they just prema ban that account loosing the person a large amount of games as well?

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    Good let them hack the beta, all the more time for them to find and shut said hacks down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiif View Post
    Seeing as games like this require an origin account that you have already bought a game on, couldn't they just prema ban that account loosing the person a large amount of games as well?
    Origin has almost no security, people get hacked on a daily basis and the accounts are traded for dirt cheap. The service is usually brought down by hackers as well, it's basically steams retarded cousin that's been inbred a few generations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Satanous View Post
    Good let them hack the beta, all the more time for them to find and shut said hacks down.
    EA doesn't care enough to let the developers work out the bugs/hackers, as long as you give them your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juzalol View Post
    Actually it's far better if the hackers will expose the weaknesses of the game before it gets out of beta phase
    so the developer has time to fill the holes before the actual release.
    Coudn't agree with this more as said the hackers will expose the weaknesses of the game before it's release this gives them a chance to look at whats wrong and how to protect it for a smoother release along with people exposing themselves as hackers before the game is even released.

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    i've leveled to 10 + suit reboot to 6 and i see hackers in atleast every 3rd game, it sucks :|

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    [QUOTE=Deal;20091047]Origin has almost no security, people get hacked on a daily basis and the accounts are traded for dirt cheap. The service is usually brought down by hackers as well, it's basically steams retarded cousin that's been inbred a few generations.

    /QUOTE]
    O well, didn't no that I just assumed it worked the same as steam. Well does not surprise me, it would be evidence for all the hate aimed at the service.

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    I don't understand.... how do you have fun... hacking...?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyriok View Post
    Coudn't agree with this more as said the hackers will expose the weaknesses of the game before it's release this gives them a chance to look at whats wrong and how to protect it for a smoother release along with people exposing themselves as hackers before the game is even released.
    In theory that's what we want to see, but in practice and from what I've seen countless times, it's futile - the problem pretty much gets swept under the rug in the guise of "We're working on it". If you're lucky, you see some ineffective ban waves in an attempt to lull people into believing they're actually working diligently until hackers find a work-around (they always do) and it's all downhill from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
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    Dear sir, you really wrote down everything there is to say about hacking and I salute you for being this coherent with such a long story. The speed hack in WoW has a history from long before WotLK so they could have done something, but I guess it was just easier to mass-ban them after the deed had been done. Resources have to be spent somewhere, I guess. And, in part, speedhacking was possible, due to the fact that WoW was such a latency forgiving game. You could easily play with high pings, exactly because the game didn't check where you were every second and trusted information on the client, within reasonable bounds. The whole latency thing was a selling point and I can see why they wouldn't want to "remove" such a feature.

    Hacking has three elements:
    1 The people that make them.
    2 The people that Enjoy them.
    3 The people that professionally use them.

    The people that make them often do it to prove that they can. The people that enjoy them, are usually teens or people that mentally never grew up. The people that professionally use them, are often in the moneymaking business.

    As long as 3 is there, 1 will also always be there. As long as 1 is there, 2 will never fail to abuse it and as long as 2 keeps abusing hacks, 3 can keep using hacks that have been improved based on results of 2.

    Vicious circle. Never ending. And 1 and 2 are basically self-sustaining as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
    Origin has almost no security, people get hacked on a daily basis and the accounts are traded for dirt cheap. The service is usually brought down by hackers as well, it's basically steams retarded cousin that's been inbred a few generations.
    I'm curious, do you have sources?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frigoffrick View Post
    I don't understand.... how do you have fun... hacking...?...
    I've seen people botting battlegrounds on WoW PTR where all pvp gear is free. My mind has never been so perplexed in my life.

    I was feeling sad about my computer not being able to handle Crysis 3 but I guess it's better than facing that ridiculousness.
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