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  1. #81
    A quick question as an aside...

    How is it possible that a multiple murderer/rapist/child molester only got that many years in the first place? How was he not given a real life sentence? I'm not familiar with the laws of Belgium. It seems to me that he should have been punished much more harshly in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    PTSD isn't exclusive to killing, in most cases it's the constant fear and constantly being shot at or having explosions going off feet away that set in the PTSD.
    Nope, but seeing the mess after sure as hell helps.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    They dehumanised the Taliban too, that does not stop PTSD or regret. Taking a life changes you forever, few would be so full of internet bravado if they knew the feeling.
    Yeah, and?

    Im not saying taking a life is as easy as flicking a switch either, or that it wont affect you in any way.

    And to be fair, I'd apply the same thought on the Talibans as this guy, only difference I have more despise for this mans actions, doesnt mean I consider either as human, not as far as their actions were atleast. Neither was the nazi's, or any other fancy examples, individuals sure, but what they stood for? No, and this man stands alone for his actions, there is no reason, there is just pure insanity, a craving, a compulsion. In the natural world he would be killed, without question, he is detrimental to society, we're just a big enough society to start questioning one mans effect, but it doesnt change the threat he is.

    Morals would have no place if there were only 20 humans left on earth and one threatened the other 19. Its the quantity of human life that makes many disregard the quality in favor of philosophy or science.

    I consider alot of humanity to be a waste of space, doesnt make me go on a killing spree does it? That is what qualifies me as sane, what this man did? Goes beyond alot of things I've ever heard, massmurder? Sure... Rape? Sure... Kidnapping? Sure.... But kids who are still innocent compared to the world they live in? The dread and terror they would feel being subjected to this?

    Are you honestly telling me, that if you walked in on this man in action, with a gun at your disposal, you would not take that shot? Because in that situation, I really need to question what is considered being human, letting him live? Or shooting him? Personally for me, its the later option.

  4. #84
    If he was no longer deemed a threat, then sure why not. He is however still a threat, so hell no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    He should've been castrated and then put into a torture cell for 15 years. After that only switch to usual cell areas. Nothing more.
    Quote Originally Posted by glowzone View Post
    Serves no practical purpose, helps noone, and so is cruel for no reason.
    He doesn't deserve purpose; His actions ended unique perceptions of the universe and he deserves punishment, and their memories deserve justice.
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    We should remind ourselves not to enjoy the suffering he has brought upon himself, but it is out responsibility to bring that suffering upon him.
    Last edited by Speaknoevil; 2013-02-05 at 03:56 AM.

  6. #86
    Is it just me who thinks that sitting out a THIRD of your prison time is enough to be taken into consideration to get released is absurd? In general then, 'cause I don't really see it happen with this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    They dehumanised the Taliban too, that does not stop PTSD or regret. Taking a life changes you forever, few would be so full of internet bravado if they knew the feeling.
    PTSD is almost entirely related to the fear that you'll lose your OWN life.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post

    We should remind ourselves not to enjoy the suffering he has brought upon himself, but it is out responsibility to bring that suffering upon him.
    I can't tell you how deeply afraid for humanity this sentence makes me.
    Get a grip man! It's CHEESE!

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I can't tell you how deeply afraid for humanity this sentence makes me.
    I don't agree with "an eye for an eye" particularly, or that we need to torture or anything else to this guy, but I also don't think he (or people committing similar crimes, mainly murder) should ever be released.

    If there was a magical way to guarantee that this person was somehow "cured" (which, if you're capable of committing these sorts of crimes, I have a hard time believing is actually possible) and this allowed you to GUARANTEE he would live a law abiding life, I would be OK with it.

    But this is not possible. So, you might release 1000 inmates that committed heinous crimes that they've supposedly become remorseful of, learned their lessons from, and have been "cured" and now just want to live normal lives - but if even 10 of then go on to murder and rape other kids / people in general, was it worth it?

    I personally cannot justify giving people like this a second chance if it means taking a risk that an innocent person will be tortured and murdered again. I feel bad for the inmate if they really are magically a great person and just ready to live a good life, but I don't think I'll ever find the risk worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I can't tell you how deeply afraid for humanity this sentence makes me.
    Same could be said about yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    They dehumanised the Taliban too, that does not stop PTSD or regret. Taking a life changes you forever, few would be so full of internet bravado if they knew the feeling.
    The Bold parts is what is wrong with a majority of the people crying out for more blood and suffering. Let the justice system run its course or be the first to strike that man down if he steps foot outside. I can with 99.9% certainty that no one has the fortitude to harm that man regardless of his crime. Taking a life does change you forever and many of you need to stop e-thuggin it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I can't tell you how deeply afraid for humanity this sentence makes me.
    Why not explain yourself? There is no risk in this case of punishing a convicted innocent, his crimes are certain. Fulfilling justice can be a sorrowful task, but he deserves to be punished severely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Same could be said about yours.
    I can't fault his idealism on principle, but it isn't suited for this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    Why not explain yourself? There is no risk in this case of punishing a convicted innocent, his crimes are certain. Fulfilling justice can be a sorrowful task, but he deserves to be punished severely.



    I can't fault his idealism on principle, but it isn't suited for this world.
    I am not saying he doesn't deserve justice. Your comment called for inflicting suffering. That is not justice...that's vengeance. The emotional part of me thinks that "justice" won't be served until he balls are severed by means of being gnawed off by a rabid, starving donkey. The more rational side says justice is served when he is lock up out side of society and no longer a threat. However good it might make us feel to beat this guy on a daily basis, that is not justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I am not saying he doesn't deserve justice. Your comment called for inflicting suffering. That is not justice...that's vengeance. The emotional part of me thinks that "justice" won't be served until he balls are severed by means of being gnawed off by a rabid, starving donkey. The more rational side says justice is served when he is lock up out side of society and no longer a threat. However good it might make us feel to beat this guy on a daily basis, that is not justice.
    I don't believe it is, I think it is reciprocation of horror for those who were lost. I will agree to disagree with you however, thank you for explaining.

  15. #95
    A guy over here abucted women, and did the same to them. Was done on a few women. Was released early. They caught him trying to kill people straight after release.
    I believe his back in jail, not for that, but breaking his probation or something.
    Any thought that the man should be released is just stupid and messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    I don't believe it is, I think it is reciprocation of horror for those who were lost. I will agree to disagree with you however, thank you for explaining.
    I think, that's probably the best we are going to be able to do. protecting society is one thing, but inflicted suffering for the sake of suffering is another thing altogether.
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    >.> why didnt you guys just kill him when yall had the chance? I am serious. Someone who is convicted of such horrible crimes should be on death row. With concrete evidence, there shouldnt even be a decision as to say, should we not kill him?

    You are paying taxes on a child rapist/murderer. You are giving him money. =.= why didnt the prisoners kill him? those kinds of people are usually the first to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfen View Post
    >.> why didnt you guys just kill him when yall had the chance? I am serious. Someone who is convicted of such horrible crimes should be on death row. With concrete evidence, there shouldnt even be a decision as to say, should we not kill him?

    You are paying taxes on a child rapist/murderer. You are giving him money. =.= why didnt the prisoners kill him? those kinds of people are usually the first to die.
    The concept of a death punishment is only just in theory, enacting/allowing it in the real world will inevitably lead to the execution of the wrongly convicted. So we know this man did it this time, it isn't enough to let the entire system risk innocents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Because other countries are better? Lets take this case as an example. The guy got off and went and killed and raped more children. Bravo on making sure to avoid revenge Belgium!

    Also revenge has nothing to do with our prison population. If you're going to bash it would help to do it competently. Our prison sentence is full due to mandatory minimum sentences on nonviolent crimes (almost exclusively related to weed) and last I checked there were still states with "3 strike" policies where people with prior records would get overly harsh sentences regardless of the actual crime they comitted.

    You seem to be confusing justice with revenge. We have messed up policies for sure, but revenge has nothing to do with it.
    Add in that our prison system is a private operation (i.e. someone is making money from people being locked up) and it explains a lot about our current prison population.
    nothing but empty space here bro. move along now.

  20. #100
    I hope the Belgian judicial system makes the right decision this time. The judges will do well to keep in mind what happened the last time they let this unrepentant man out early. The blood of those children is on their hands.

    But... They let his ex-wife, the one who starved two eight year old girls to death, out of prison too. So =/

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-05 at 05:16 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Sialanne View Post
    How is it possible that a multiple murderer/rapist/child molester only got that many years in the first place?
    The legal justice system doesn't treat raping children as a crime worthy of lengthy incarceration. Hence why he got out after, what two years the first time - and went on to murder 5 children; I hope those judges are haunted for the rest of their lives by their reckless, idiotic decision. They should be told that they killed those children everyday for as long as they draw breath.

    But in this case I'm pretty sure this is as much of a life sentence as they could give him.
    Last edited by semaphore; 2013-02-05 at 05:17 AM.

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