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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    I have no information on any federal judges in lower courts. But, all blocks or appointments are done for political reasons. It's politics. Both sides do it. It's nothing new. And honestly it's a fairly weak argument in the context of what's been said. The "tea party" is what was referenced not the entire GOP.
    Not the best sources, but this should give you some idea.

    http://americablog.com/2011/08/gop-b...n-history.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_706590.html

    The GOP is blocking appointments all over the place.

    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    The GOP is blocking appointments all over the place.

    Why?
    It must be because they are terrorists, right?

    The dems blocked Bush appointment all over the place too, but they were heroes!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Not the best sources, but this should give you some idea.

    http://americablog.com/2011/08/gop-b...n-history.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_706590.html

    The GOP is blocking appointments all over the place.

    Why?
    1. Don't link me posts from HuffPo. As "accurate" as they might be, their so far left they are laughable (at best) in most DC circles.
    2. As I said, for clear political reasons. That's why democrats stacked the SCotUS. More judges you have on your side the easier it is for your laws and policy to be upheld. Or why you block, it keeps your laws from being over turned.

    The fact that I had to spell it out is pretty disheartening.

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    So they're crippling government to make a political point. Would that be that government doesn't work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    So they're crippling government to make a political point. Would that be that government doesn't work?
    When has the government ever worked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    So they're crippling government to make a political point. Would that be that government doesn't work?
    I hope you're referring to both sides. Because it's clear both sides do it. If you can't agree with that, then I have no more words for you on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    I hope you're referring to both sides. Because it's clear both sides do it. If you can't agree with that, then I have no more words for you on this subject.
    I don't think you can honestly compare the GOP's efforts to stop government from doing anything to the Dem's use of the filibuster.

    Do both sides block stuff? Sure. Do they do it anywhere near the same amount? ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I don't think you can honestly compare the GOP's efforts to stop government from doing anything to the Dem's use of the filibuster.

    Do both sides block stuff? Sure. Do they do it anywhere near the same amount? ha.
    honestly, Wells, I could (and should) show you the links, but knowing how you are it wouldn't matter. Let's just say that in all of your "knowledge" you have, you really don't know.

    also, only the Senate can filibuster. Which no one has done (in this or the prior congress) and no one will veto.

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    no no no, show me the links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    no no no, show me the links.
    I second the motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    honestly, Wells, I could (and should) show you the links, but knowing how you are it wouldn't matter. Let's just say that in all of your "knowledge" you have, you really don't know.

    also, only the Senate can filibuster. Which no one has done (in this or the prior congress) and no one will veto.
    Well if the Dems control the senate, why would they need to filibuster? I'd love to see these graphs that show an equal use of filibuster rates in the past oh, twenty years or so? Or maybe since '75 when they changed it to a 3/5ths majority for cloture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    Even with significantly decreased demand, it would drive people to create more valuable products or reduce the cost of their goods.
    No, it wouldn't. People don't make products or improve products no one is going to buy. If you offer me a million dollars at 6% interest, I'm not going to take that money unless I have a way to invest it that will make me more that 6%. If I don't have demand for my products that's going to enable me to sell them and make >6% profit, no amount of offering me money is going to incite me to take it (yes, I know you can make more than 6% in most investments, it's just an example number). We don't have an issue with access to capital in the US right now. Interest rates are at all time lows. We're not seeing businesses expand right now though, and it's not because they don't have access to cheap capital, it's because they don't have confidence in demand in the current market.

    With a system geared towards consumption, price basically stays the same. Our demand is hardly low at the moment, we basically have no reason to invest, the lion's share of our economy is based on consumption. If demand was low, prices would be falling and we'd be consuming less.
    Demand may not be low, but it's lower than it has been or could be because there are still a lot of people without jobs, or who don't have confidence that they'll still have a job in a few months. That suppresses demand. On top of that, we just had the expiration of the payroll tax cuts drop everyone's income by 2%, which will also suppress demand.

    We have EVERY reason to invest right now. That's what you do when you are uncertain about the economy; you put more into the bank. There is a massive enormous global pool of money searching for places to put it right now. It's a large part of the reason CDOs became so big in the 2000s. Creditors both foreign and domestic and searching eagerly for a safe place to put their money that will get them a better rate of interest than US treasuries. On top of that, the lowest tax rates right now are on investment incomes. The whole concept that there's no impetus for investment right now is ludicrous.

    "saving" is really the most important part to any economy. Putting money under your mattress probably hurts more than it helps, but most people buy durable goods, or invest in capital, new equipment, or facilities for a business (mostly indirectly through stocks). Any nation on Earth can consume all the goods produced by another nation, the U.S. has proven extremely effective at that. Its just lucky for us people still look at our money as valuable, because we certainly don't have anything actually of value to contribute.
    No, it's not. Saving and consuming are BOTH integral parts of an economy. Saving is important because it allows access to capital. Consumption is important because it gives businesses a reason to use that capital.

    We don't have anything of value to contribute? We're the world's second largest manufacturer for goodness sake. We have some of the biggest and best firms in the world in the US. Saying we don't have anything of value to contribute just confirms that you are completely out of touch with our economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    So they're crippling government to make a political point. Would that be that government doesn't work?
    The government is actively working to siphon productivity from the private sector and use it to create social change and redistribute wealth. Its only a shame they're dumb enough to raise the debt ceiling .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    The government is actively working to siphon productivity from the private sector and use it to create social change and redistribute wealth. Its only a shame they're dumb enough to raise the debt ceiling .
    ... I don't think you understand what makes a functioning society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    honestly, Wells, I could (and should) show you the links, but knowing how you are it wouldn't matter. Let's just say that in all of your "knowledge" you have, you really don't know.

    also, only the Senate can filibuster. Which no one has done (in this or the prior congress) and no one will veto.
    Filibusters are used constantly in the Senate. They no longer have to stand and speak to do them though. They can just make a phone call, or raise an objection on the floor. Hell, last Congress, Mitch McConnell filibustered his own bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Well if the Dems control the senate, why would they need to filibuster? I'd love to see these graphs that show an equal use of filibuster rates in the past oh, twenty years or so? Or maybe since '75 when they changed it to a 3/5ths majority for cloture?
    A filibuster can be done by any Senator. IF a filibuster were to happen no side would want to do a 2/3 cloture because that would give the other side a cause to reciprocate should the power shift. The longest filibuster was Strom Thurman (then democrat) in 1954 to block the civil rights act. 24 hrs 18 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    A filibuster can be done by any Senator. IF a filibuster were to happen no side would want to do a 2/3 cloture because that would give the other side a cause to reciprocate should the power shift. The longest filibuster was Strom Thurman (then democrat) in 1954 to block the civil rights act. 24 hrs 18 minutes
    /yawn. That isn't what a filibuster is anymore, and again, we are all waiting, patiently, for you to show us that fillibuster numbers by party lines are anywhere near equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Filibusters are used constantly in the Senate. They no longer have to stand and speak to do them though. They can just make a phone call, or raise an objection on the floor. Hell, last Congress, Mitch McConnell filibustered his own bill.
    Ah yes, I should clarify, it hasn't been used by one side against the other in classical terms. McConnell's use was -genius-

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Well if the Dems control the senate, why would they need to filibuster? I'd love to see these graphs that show an equal use of filibuster rates in the past oh, twenty years or so? Or maybe since '75 when they changed it to a 3/5ths majority for cloture?
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