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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    Don't worry he's a firm FOX viewer. The use of 'enchanced interrogation' contrary to 'torture' tip us off.
    I actually just came from a real-life debate on torture and the morality concerning it, it was a rather interesting discussion. It seemed like most people believe torture to be justifiable in certain circumstances. I played devil's advocated and pointed out that both the 'terrorist' and the security forces could very well be sacrificing their lesser ideals in favor of the larger ones; in other words, both believe the end justifies the means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    I actually just came from a real-life debate on torture and the morality concerning it, it was a rather interesting discussion. It seemed like most people believe torture to be justifiable in certain circumstances. I played devil's advocated and pointed out that both the 'terrorist' and the security forces could very well be sacrificing their lesser ideals in favor of the larger ones; in other words, both believe the end justifies the means.
    Yes it does and I'm not going to be a hipcyrite and not say that I think people deserve it.
    Problem is that my personal feelings should not be incoorporated into what I am trying to achive (stop to terrorirst), especially since it has been known since centuaries that a person would say anything (lies) to get away from the pain.
    Am I willing to sidestep my ideals knowing they won't bring anything but fuel to the fire of myemissaries when I try to wage a war on terror on them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    Don't worry he's a firm FOX viewer. The use of 'enchanced interrogation' contrary to 'torture' tip us off.
    Funny thing... I dont watch TV... So, looks like, you are dead wrong again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    Just because you dont hear our objections to the drone war doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
    What doesn't exist? the drone campaign, or your objections? If they cant hear you objecting then you probably ARENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    Yes it does and I'm not going to be a hipcyrite and not say that I think people deserve it.
    Problem is that my personal feelings should not be incoorporated into what I am trying to achive (stop to terrorirst), especially since it has been known since centuaries that a person would say anything (lies) to get away from the pain.
    Am I willing to sidestep my ideals knowing they won't bring anything but fuel to the fire of myemissaries when I try to wage a war on terror on them?
    Are you saying this from the experience of having questioned terrorists, or are you basing this claim on your uninformed opinion? Are you saying this having served in the military or intelligence field, or are you basing your opinion off of what you've been spoon fed from the media?

    Reasonable questions. And you'll note I avoiding insulting you, despite your continued willingness to insult others that hold viewpoints you dont agree with.

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