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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by davesurfer View Post
    This is about Americans being kiled without their rights.
    The problem here is that when you start throwing around execution without due process in this istuation, you'll quickly find that your reasonings also apply to pretty much every violent criminal gunned down by the police, ever.
    You're fine with a police commander having the power ot order that SWAT sniper to execute that american citizen without due process. Why would a high ranking military commander/president doing the same for felons far more dangerous and elusive be any different?

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Vyxn... then show me exactly where it says he CANT do it... go ahead smart guy... Teach us... show us in the USC where it says he cant...

    And to call me a liberal is clear and present evidence that you have no utter clue what you are talking about. Some here would accuse me of being to the far right of Attilla the Hun. Which means I'm truly loathe to agree with the President on this... but I DO.
    You really are conservative though...The way you argue is conservative without a doubt because you think that what's made illegal currently by the government is also immoral. Somehow you think that the "is" gives us the "aught".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Actually, I'd support a president of EITHER party having this power.
    And people like you are why this does happen. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Number one all the way! We make the rules so it is all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    You really are conservative though...The way you argue is conservative without a doubt because you think that what's made illegal currently by the government is also immoral. Somehow you think that the "is" gives us the "aught".
    Not exactly... many things I find immoral are completely legal according to our laws, and no, this isn't the place to delve into that.

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    There is not enough tinfoil in the world for the conversation going on in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Vyxn... then show me exactly where it says he CANT do it... go ahead smart guy... Teach us... show us in the USC where it says he cant...

    And to call me a liberal is clear and present evidence that you have no utter clue what you are talking about. Some here would accuse me of being to the far right of Attilla the Hun. Which means I'm truly loathe to agree with the President on this... but I DO.
    I believe the 5th amendment protects a citizens right to trial by jury(of peers) and due process of law for capital crimes.

    Having a government agency secretly try you for a crime and sentence you to death is not really due process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    And people like you are why this does happen. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Number one all the way! We make the rules so it is all good.
    So far from the truth, You dont arrest enemy soldiers and then bring them home and take them to court... You eliminate them and you eliminate the threat, Period. I dont give a flying fuck of what nationality that enemy combatant/soldier is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redmage View Post
    There is not enough tinfoil in the world for the conversation going on in this thread.
    Wow, took until page 5 until the obligatory tin foil hat comment!!!

    Because all talks of anything about the government doing bad stuff is crazy....

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Not exactly... many things I find immoral are completely legal according to our laws, and no, this isn't the place to delve into that.
    the only justification you gave for that argument was an establishment one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    I believe the 5th amendment protects a citizens right to trial by jury(of peers) and due process of law for capital crimes.

    Having a government agency secretly try you for a crime and sentence you to death is not really due process.
    but you see, you miss the part where its not a 'due process' matter... you dont bring enemy soldiers home for dinner and a massage... you kill them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    So far from the truth, You dont arrest enemy soldiers and then bring them home and take them to court... You eliminate them and you eliminate the threat, Period. I dont give a flying fuck of what nationality that enemy combatant/soldier is.
    Are we at war in Pakistan? I was not aware. As if our wars since WWII were legitimate anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    3 actual Americans were killed. No trial, no jury, just executed. They may have been found guilty, but we will never know.


    Links to sources help, OP:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21333570
    Your own source says they printed magazines overseas encouraging Al-Qaeda ideology. Good riddance, US citizen or not. Bring this topic back up when it's on American soil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    the only justification you gave for that argument was an establishment one.
    I was correcting your inaccurate observation of me. I wasn't justifying anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    I was correcting your inaccurate observation of me. I wasn't justifying anything.
    Huh? Then what was :"Vyxn... then show me exactly where it says he CANT do it... go ahead smart guy... Teach us... show us in the USC where it says he cant..." ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    Are we at war in Pakistan? I was not aware. As if our wars since WWII were legitimate anyways...
    Appears there are many things you aren't aware of. Perhaps you should invest the time in reading and understanding the subject matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Vyxn... then show me exactly where it says he CANT do it... go ahead smart guy... Teach us... show us in the USC where it says he cant...

    And to call me a liberal is clear and present evidence that you have no utter clue what you are talking about. Some here would accuse me of being to the far right of Attilla the Hun. Which means I'm truly loathe to agree with the President on this... but I DO.
    read the 5th amendment due process clause and the grand jury clause just for starters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Huh? Then what was :"Vyxn... then show me exactly where it says he CANT do it... go ahead smart guy... Teach us... show us in the USC where it says he cant..." ?
    Wasn't aware that you were Vyxn.. Now thats news to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pfeff View Post
    Your own source says they printed magazines overseas encouraging Al-Qaeda ideology. Good riddance, US citizen or not. Bring this topic back up when it's on American soil
    Of course! Wait until we have drones killing us from overhead without due process before we say anything. Are you fucking serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    read the 5th amendment due process clause and the grand jury clause just for starters
    I reckon you dont have a firm grasp of what an enemy combatant is and you dont understand why you dont bring them home for dinner, a massage and a trial.. hmm?

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  20. #100
    OP is misrepresenting the memo. In war, our country kills its enemies. We're at war with Al Qaeda, even though its not a sovereign nation. It's not the president taking a sniper rifle and picking off random people at a shopping mall, which is what "can the president kill indiscriminately" suggests.

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