Extra valor for dungeons

[Djuntas]

So you are saying its hard to heal when the DPS are doing 25-30k DPS each, but then you say you are badly geared? Ever thought its your gear that makes it hard to heal and not the DPS?

Healing in heroics is a joke.

Its a combination off both. I can easly end the trash packs and boss with not so much stress, but when I get 3 DPS'eres doing badly it gets tough.

Even more fun when the tank is also lower geared

[Firefly33]

Understand Siege since it is the longest (in time) 5 man now. The others I do not understand though.

[Luminoth4]

Good. When you have a Group with a Mage and Hunter pulling 30k DPS between them in SPM you will know the meaning of pain. Only stayed for my satchel, and all it gave me was a crappy agility potion as a Paladin. /rage

[treehumper]

LFD group I was in last night took 15 minutes to down the 1st boss. I kept telling them to kill the adds in the final phase but they didn't so they kept healing him. I, the holy paladin, had to DPS them down so we could move on from having only damaged him 1%. Oh, only one DPS was doing over 30k while the rest were equal with the tank.

[Imaskar]

I was getting into this hell too. Then I realized, that when you check green flag in LFD interface, you are just saying "I will carry the worst group this game have ever seen". Since then everything is going pretty smooth.

[Coldhearth]

3 bad dps'eres doing like 25-30k each tops

25-30k is perfectly fine for heroics. You do know people are there to gear up, right?

Try getting stuck with people doing sub 10k DPS and then there's a problem.

[Mikael123]

So you are saying its hard to heal when the DPS are doing 25-30k DPS each, but then you say you are badly geared? Ever thought its your gear that makes it hard to heal and not the DPS?

Healing in heroics is a joke.

Healing the last boss in the shado pan dungeon is no joke, if you are in group with dps ignoring the orbs.

[Cattlehunter]

25-30k is perfectly fine for heroics. You do know people are there to gear up, right?

Try getting stuck with people doing sub 10k DPS and then there's a problem.

25-30k dps is low for a healer; it is extremely low for a dps.

[Coldhearth]

25-30k dps is low for a healer; it is extremely low for a dps.

You have got to be trolling.

I'm a tank. I've been in numerous heroics where some DPS pulled about 10k. We still got through it with no problems.

25-30k is absolutely fine for a fresh 90, get off your elitist high horse.

[Imaskar]

You can do heroic with 25k and even 10k dps. But he says 25k isn't limit of gear, but not knowing your class. I'm sure I did at least 40k once I entered heroics on my priest.

[Delath]

It depends on class too since some scale a lot more than others with gear. Many classes that enter hc's with the bare minimum ilvl without any gems/reforges/enchants to speak of will generally suck dps wise no matter how well you know how to play it. Some classes are also better suited for dungeons than others.

[Kiqjaq]

I would much rather they just made the dungeons interesting in the first place, rather than making the carrot at the end a bit bigger later on when people no longer need them to gear up and stop doing them.

[Moshic]

I was just wondering, isn't that the wrong order?



They seem to be taking the challenge mode time restriction for these dungeons as calculation basic.
But when you take a look at the actual time needed the order is Scholo, Shadow-Pan, Siege - and not by small margins.

This is also how I feel about those dungeons, I still won't do Siege with it's endless trash that you cannot easily chainpull like in scholo and it's rp events where you are waiting more than fighting for only 5 VP more.

I think it's more about the average time it takes to clear each dungeon, not how much trash there is.

[announced]

15 extra vp would be nice for shado pan.. that dungeon is worthless as fuck with its 20 min gauntlet event.
still.. siege could use a bigger bonus.. 15-20 vp instead of just 5. siege has endless trash and with bads you cant really skip it for shit.

imo 20 vp extra for those + stormstout brewery and jade temple would be best.

[Osmeric]

15 extra vp would be nice for shado pan.. that dungeon is worthless as fuck with its 20 min gauntlet event.

Um, what are you talking about?

[Mokoshne]

shado pan is easily the worst. it should reward DOUBLE the normal amount of valor.

[IRunSoFarAway]

I understand adding extra valor to siege, that place is horrible, I also get shado-pan, that event in there really should just be taken out already though, it's so useless. Scholomance though I always run through fast and don't see the point in adding extra, but if they want to, that's fine with me. There's a couple others that I would want more valor for completing, just because they're horrible.

[announced]

Um, what are you talking about?

bit of an exaggeration but when you have to defeat the 20 students and your group has 10k combined dps.. where 2 of them are afk and the other one is auto attacking.. taking down 20 students ... after 10 mins. plus the trash in shadopan is terrible when you have bads that cant dps for shit.

[Chickat]

I enjoy every single dungeon in MoP, but some are to long when your farming valor. I like this change.

[Zoma]

shado pan is easily the worst. it should reward DOUBLE the normal amount of valor.

Agreed. It's the only instance I desert, unless I'm in a group with friends, and even then it's annoying.

I don't know why Scholo is on the list, personally it's one of my favourites. My only problem with Siege is the second boss with the Mantid waves.