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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Do we know how many armory profiles were sampled for the mount? Do we know what the expected drop rate is? If so, does the data meet the requirements for a scientific burden of proof?
    When nobody has that mount, you don't need any scientific prove...... fact is no tool, no site, no player and not even blizzard confirms that 1 mount dropped and that at least 1 player has it.
    That doesn't need any proof, scientific or non-scientific... it is simply an fact! As far as we can see and track through various means, these mounts never dropped.

    On the official forums I see blues responding to fun-threads.... while there is a second thread opened on this issue (the first got too big)... and still no blue responding to that.
    So they don't know or don't want to confirm that it never dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    When nobody has that mount, you don't need any scientific prove.
    Statistical evidence is a form of scientific proof.


    At this stage in the debate, with the number of people who have participated, and the number of kills we would have collectively had, the fact that no one has as yet been able to link to an armory profile with the mount is compelling.

    Although this does not represent absolute (100.000000000000000000000000000000000000%) certainty, it makes it a lot more certain than many things we take for granted in life.


    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    On the official forums I see blues responding to fun-threads.... while there is a second thread opened on this issue (the first got too big)... and still no blue responding to that.
    So they don't know or don't want to confirm that it never dropped.
    At this stage I would say it is likely they are looking into it. Hopefully they'll give a reply soon. I am sure that none of the devs realised this was a case, and until now they would have had very little reason to think anything was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pok456 View Post
    Lol i feel so special knowing that i have a reins of the azure drake and it makes me feel more special i got it at lvl 80 when MoP was released it was my first run of the Eye and i won the roll while i was dead xD
    You made an account just to post this? Guess what, I have the Azure Drake mount too, on literally everyone on my chars.

  4. #404
    Quote Originally Posted by Rankin View Post
    As verified by Wowhead that says the Sha has dropped everything precisely once? The personal loot system does not work very well with the Wowhead client.
    No, as verified by my friend who was in the middle of 5.2 overtime last night at blizz.

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    I've seen the sha mount drop on my server, i specifically remember because the person who won it could not use it as he did not have the required riding profession

  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Junblat View Post
    I've seen the sha mount drop on my server, i specifically remember because the person who won it could not use it as he did not have the required riding profession
    If you specifically remember the person you would be able to provide his armory link right?

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Junblat View Post
    I've seen the sha mount drop on my server, i specifically remember because the person who won it could not use it as he did not have the required riding profession
    Yes, we've all seen the trolls saying they saw someone spend 999,999 on brawler's guild invites while attempting to bid on Invincible as well.

  8. #408
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    At this stage I would say it is likely they are looking into it. Hopefully they'll give a reply soon. I am sure that none of the devs realised this was a case, and until now they would have had very little reason to think anything was wrong.
    If it doesn't drop, they know about it, and have known about it. Unless they're not paying attention at all they'd have noticed that an item like that hasn't dropped. If nobody has those mounts, believe me, Blizzard knows about it. If it doesn't drop and hasn't been fixed already then it's for a reason. Possibly that's why they're not responding to the threads about it either.

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    I'm not going to read through 21 pages here, has anyone actually provided definitive PROOF of either mount dropping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Junblat View Post
    I've seen the sha mount drop on my server, i specifically remember because the person who won it could not use it as he did not have the required riding profession
    This is literally the millionth time I've heard this. Proof or GTFO.
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    Why is it that the only people who see it drop, are those who Never had the riding skill for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Why is it that the only people who see it drop, are those who Never had the riding skill for it?
    The people that claim "X saw it drop, but can't use it because of no riding skill" are lying because if the person doesn't have the training, they can't learn it, and if they can't learn it, they can't use it, and so it would never appear in their mounts list. Then said person who claimed the statement can link any armory they want and claim that it's that person.
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  12. #412
    I have seen a Galleon mount in a LFR pug

  13. #413
    Well from a statistical veiwpoint, if it's a .01% drop there should still be less then 1% of all players that will have obtained the mount. Also since all the methods to check for the mount use sampling which almost always has a +/- of 2-3 normally even with large samples so 0% could be statistically true at this point while not being entirely accurate.
    Also as people have pointed out wowhead really doesn't get the data from LFR style loot that it gets from group loot settings. In group loot all it took is one of those 40 people having the wowhead addon to have complete data from that raid, not so anymore. Also factor in that over half of the people in these PUG raids never say anything there's a chance they got one and just didn't feel like telling the raid, I know I wouldn't I'd just celebrate with my guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byniri View Post
    I'm not going to read through 21 pages here, has anyone actually provided definitive PROOF of either mount dropping?



    This is literally the millionth time I've heard this. Proof or GTFO.
    Nope, I've already went out on my realm offering a 20k gold reward to anyone able to provide me with proof in the form of an armory link or putting me in contact iwth a person owning the mount but not having the riding skill to show it in a trade window. Think there's enough people here to makes this happen on more realms (and considering the lack of proof so far I*m not very worried about my 20k).

    Honestly the only way there will be an end to this discussion is:

    1. An armory link with a person owning the mount is provided
    2. Blizzard comes out and confirms that it's not dropping or is not showing up on armory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byniri View Post
    I'm not going to read through 21 pages here, has anyone actually provided definitive PROOF of either mount dropping?



    This is literally the millionth time I've heard this. Proof or GTFO.
    Nope, haven't seen anyone link an armory page with someone having either mounts in their list.

    I find this whole thing to be rather amusing and annoying at the same time. I've seen people link in general chat that they have gotten it etc. Never thought anything more of it really, until now seeing this thread and realising... that these mounts seem to not be dropping..i can honestly say I have never seen anyone on either mount (and I would notice as I am a small time mount collector)

    Annoying for those that are running Sha on multiple toons grinding coins for extra rolls etc all these weeks, only to perhaps be told *oops we forgot to activate the mounts to drop*

    Hopefully we will get some clarification from Blizzard soon^

  16. #416
    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    Screenshots of the mounts are provided as asked, its your burden to prove they are not from live or fakes otherwise.
    You seem to have problems with reading comprehension, as everybody was asking to provide LINK TO PROFILE as the only hard fact.

  17. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by Junblat View Post
    I've seen the sha mount drop on my server, i specifically remember because the person who won it could not use it as he did not have the required riding profession
    Tt's awfully convenient. I can link the mount too with AtlasLoot, then say I don't have the rep so I don't have to prove I got it.

  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Why is it that the only people who see it drop, are those who Never had the riding skill for it?
    This. It's not as if you cant make three or four passes through Windward Isles to get the eggs needed for the exalted rep for the skill without doing a single daily. Seems that both these mounts are the only two very rare drops that the winners have no desire even showing off even once. A drop rate can so low, as it appears to me in these cases, that it robs the incentive to go out and actually acquire them. You might be lucky in seeing one or two of these before we hit lvl 100 and the bosses become soloable or able to be downed with a very small group; as such it's a waste of time even thinking about farming them now. Save your coins for Elegon.

  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Junblat View Post
    I've seen the sha mount drop on my server, i specifically remember because the person who won it could not use it as he did not have the required riding profession
    Even if said person received the mount and couldn't use it, the armory would still state that the player obtained it under recent activity.

  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by fenixazul View Post
    I have seen a Galleon mount in a LFR pug
    While it couldn't have been the horn that only works in Valley of the Four Winds, you probably saw Venus reflected off some swamp gas and only thought you saw Galleon's mount in an LFR.

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