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    The US is a nation, and a nation has its armed forces. The purpose of those armed forces is to serve, in a potentially violent capacity, the greater benefit of that nation. Whether that armed forces actions are ethical or not is mostly irrelevant. They do not exist for ethical purposes. They exist to fight and kill, either in offense or defense. many would say that alone is inherently unethical. If what they do benefits the country then they are doing their job. Morality doesn't play a role.

    I hate to use the terrible phrase "support the troops," because really, what do we do that supports them? But am I generally in favor of the troops? On an individual level perhaps. As I said, they do their job. Ethics don't mean a thing. However, I am not so in favor of the people giving the troops their orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonnica View Post
    They are defending/fighting for the country's interest, Oil.
    Never really been about freedom or a war on terror, just Oil.

    In my eyes (Im not from US btw) they are just makeing sure that other cant have freedom.. or money.
    I love ignorance, we dont get most of our oil from the middle east, the vast bulk comes from indonesia, south america, mexico, or domestic. If we really wanted to go to war with a country over oil, we would just invade mexico or canada, less logistics, cheaper, etc. I never understand why people claim the US is in the middle east for oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijek View Post
    Who says we get paid to do nothing? I'm in Kuwait, RIGHT NOW, handling all satellite communications for SE Asia.

    Thanks for 1700$ a month though for doing nothing.
    Did you bring an xbox with you, simple yes or no will do.

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    There's one thing that may play into this topic.
    I have observed that Americans - more than Europeans for example - have a need for heroes. People are made a hero in the US rather quick. And the media supports that. Let's use 9/11... The Firedept from NYC did a great job there. There is no doubt. There's also credit deserved, there's respect and thank you earned without a shadow of a doubt. Those guys did a hell of a job.
    But what the media made out of it, no matter tv, radio, print media. At some point one would really like to run their head against a wall.
    I mean the only thing missing was asking the pope to award them saint status. It was totally out of line and context.
    There's a similar tendency with soldiers too. Yet, to bring it back down a notch. Incredibly enough, many returning soldiers struggle to get back into society.
    Private initiatives are needed to find jobs for former service members. The medical benefits for veterans are free, but since they are free, they are very lackluster. So, down the road, if the soldier isn't smart. That service can very well bite him/her in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torethyr View Post
    The US is a nation, and a nation has its armed forces. The purpose of those armed forces is to serve, in a potentially violent capacity, the greater benefit of that nation. Whether that armed forces actions are ethical or not is mostly irrelevant. They do not exist for ethical purposes. They exist to fight and kill, either in offense or defense. If what they do benefits the country then they are doing their job. Morality doesn't play a role.

    I hate to use the terrible phrase "support the troops," because really, what do we do that supports them? But am I generally in favor of the troops? On an individual level perhaps. As I said, they do their job. Ethics don't mean a thing. However, I am not so in favor of the people giving the troops their orders.
    Morality is a HUGE key in today's military. If you aren't in you'd have no idea how many quarterly/annual training events we have on Ethics, Equal Opportunity, The Laws of War, etc. It happens so often it's ridiculous. If you aren't in the military. Then observe it and do research, but don't spout shit you have no idea about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kymei View Post
    Did you bring an xbox with you, simple yes or no will do.
    We had them in Afghanistan, after a 12 hour patrol through IED and sniper infested lands it was a good way to relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kymei View Post
    Did you bring an xbox with you, simple yes or no will do.
    No, it's a clearance controlled site. Nothing with any form of camera, wireless signal, or harddrive may be brought from outside the gates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eodusaf View Post
    I never understand why people claim the US is in the middle east for oil
    Because the truth is worse. Previously there was no "real" reason to be in the middle east. The truth is people are dying in the middle east because of petty political reasons.

    We are there to save people? To free other people? Give me a break, if that was true why do we let other countries stay a mess?

    Tell me, what was the real reason we supported the Mujahideen? That's right to undermine the Soviets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    We had them in Afghanistan, after a 12 hour patrol through IED and sniper infested lands it was a good way to relax.
    Must have not been that infested if you're alive to tell me about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    31 years going strong with no need to wear an military uniform nor own a weapon. Know why? No one is attacking the U.S.
    Yea, 911 clearly wasn't a attack on the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kymei View Post
    Must have not been that infested if you're alive to tell me about it.
    Yeah, i was one of those 1% that was lucky enough to survive........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Bingo! You don't fall to your knees to worship cops right? Cops can be "good" or "bad", just like soldiers. You should judge them based on their actions, not their profession.
    I don't think ANYBODY is telling you to worship soldiers. Just to respect the decision to enlist and be a soldier. On the same note, I respect the decision to become a police officer. As you said there are good police and bad police, there are good soldiers and bad soldiers, and I don't think anyone has said otherwise. If they did, they're wrong. It's all about respecting them and their potential sacrifice. No matter one's reasons it's a brave decision and it usually deserves respect. Not respecting a police officer, fireman, soldier, etc "just 'cause" is selfish and shortsighted. (And no, I'm not calling the poster that I quoted those things.)

    Respect and appreciate your law enforcement and your military until they give you reason not to, and even then it's on an individual basis, not the entire military.

    Edit: Now if you take issue with the government that's giving the orders, that's a different thing entirely. =)

    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Yeah, i was one of those 1% that was lucky enough to survive........
    If it means anything to you, even though I'm from a different country and all, thanks for your service. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    We had them in Afghanistan, after a 12 hour patrol through IED and sniper infested lands it was a good way to relax.
    We had PS2. Nothing beat the morning routine of rockets and mortars quite like beating the shit out of each other in Madden and Need For Speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Respect and appreciate your law enforcement and your military until they give you reason not to, and even then it's on an individual basis, not the entire military.
    I respect all strangers equally, that's the best way of doing things...

    I give everyone a base amount of respect, and I adjust it based on their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijek View Post
    Morality is a HUGE key in today's military. If you aren't in you'd have no idea how many quarterly/annual training events we have on Ethics, Equal Opportunity, The Laws of War, etc. It happens so often it's ridiculous. If you aren't in the military. Then observe it and do research, but don't spout shit you have no idea about.
    I mean its irrelevant in the scope of history. Militaries get deployed to accomplish certain goals. The ethics of how those goals are accomplished is ultimately irrelevant. What's remembered is whether or not the goal was achieved, and what tactics were employed. Not how the locals felt about it. How moral the Romans were in taking Greece is nowhere near as significant as the simple fact that Rome took Greece. How they achieved it, in ethical terms, doesn't really matter.

    I'm not saying that militaries are unethical. I'm saying that whether they are or not bears no significance in the long term. And this is speaking of military actions as a whole. On an individual basis soldiers will obviously have different ethical conducts and yadda yadda.
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    it really bugs me some people call people in the armed forces murderers who should be locked up in prison, if anyone invades your home please go tell your armed forces "hey killings bad so uh plz dont do anything i like these new faces who are going to ransack our homes il just go watch some youtube videos and tweet shit"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dercaderca View Post
    Yea, 911 clearly wasn't a attack on the US.
    9/11 was a terror attack, carried out by a privately run terror organization. It was an attack on the free world, with the USA as it's main protagonist, hence why it happened on US soil.

    No army on Earth can protect a country from Terror attacks. No Army.
    For all it does is to create even more terrorists..
    The USA's war on terror is NOT fought openly by the army to be exact. It's fought by special units, and with different tools like drones etc.
    The war on terror uses intelligence tactics which are rather related to spying than open warfare. You can't just flatten any country because you believe a bunch of terrorists may hide out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kymei View Post
    Must have not been that infested if you're alive to tell me about it.
    Because clearly, the only way to tell how infested it was or wasn't is if RICH1471 lived to tell the tale or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dercaderca View Post
    Yea, 911 clearly wasn't a attack on the US.
    By whom? What nation? Where they from Iraq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackjawsix View Post
    it really bugs me some people call people in the armed forces murderers who should be locked up in prison, if anyone invades your home please go tell your armed forces "hey killings bad so uh plz dont do anything i like these new faces who are going to ransack our homes il just go watch some youtube videos and tweet shit"
    I will as soon as someone invades our soil, but that will never happen because no nation is that crazy or stupid, only some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    I respect all strangers equally, that's the best way of doing things...

    I give everyone a base amount of respect, and I adjust it based on their actions.
    Fair enough.

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