It's actually a military duty to refuse an order if it is unjust.
There seems to be this myth that military personnel sit in dark rooms being ordered to shoot everyone they come into contact with, or that every round fired is only fired because they've been ordered to do so.
Orders are given and military personnel conduct themselves according to their training, rules of engagement, personal conduct within those general framework.
Order: "Capture compound (x)"
Action: Capture compound (x) whilst adapting to situations encountered whilst on task.
That's how it actually goes down. What happens inbetween is invariably down to the soldier holding the weapon kicking in the door of compound (x) not because they were ordered to behave in a specific manner.
Last edited by Reqq; 2013-02-08 at 03:46 PM.
One can be admiring of the faith/devotion these people put in their job, while criticizing them for lots of the actions they do. And this has nothing to do with being "anti-patriotic" or something like that. On the contrary, criticizing military can be a very patriotic act, if you believe they don't serve the interest or image of the country you live in. And I personally think this is something everyone living in a militarized country should think about.
Originally Posted by ash
For the majority of us it is a moot point what they we are fighting for. We risk our lives for our brothers in arms to make sure each and every one of us comes back from this shit hole in one piece, I could really care less what "people" think we are fighting for.
If you have an issue with the reason, take it up with your elected representative.
-SSG C, U.S Army....via Afghanistan.
LOL funny thread...
Two thoughts for you:
1. No middle east country is a threat to the US? Please visit the families of the WTC victims and tell them that, I'm sure it'll comfort them.
2. If you're a solider and have given an oath to obey orders (or you get sent to prison and shit), would you rather make yourself believe you were doing it for a righteous reason or prefer to believe you're just blindly murdering people and families because some dick that you don't even like told you to for a reason not even he understands?
Think about that and then get back to me, k?
While I have no comment on the whole fighting for freedom/defense of our country, I would just like to say that those shootings that happened were not really an act of terrorism. Those people were just not right in the head and thought it was a good idea to shoot people for some reason. Terrorism is different. I mean killing is killing but when you compare terrorism to deranged murderers it changes. To say that those shooters were terrorists you are calling every single murderer out there a terrorist. Those kind of people kill because their fucked up brain is telling them to do so. Terrorists kill because they have a reason behind it whether it's stupid religion or whatever.
Here's a definition of terrorist from Dictionary.com: "a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism."
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
So I'm pretty sure those shooters weren't terrorists nor do I think they were committing any act of terrorism.
Last edited by Brule; 2013-02-08 at 04:57 PM.
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For your health.
Rules of engagement don't have any bearing in the moral decision of choosing targets, they just dictate the actions taken when you encounter either the specific target, other targets or other people in the target area.
My husband is an AE in the Navy. Stationed in Pensacola, FL. He joined because he wants to play a part, but he mostly joined so I could have access to health insurance that doesn't discriminate to people with chronic conditions. And he also wants to go back to school, and this was truly the only way we could get on our feet. The area we live in is like quick sand, you keep sinking and you die :/ Needed to get out of here.
Also, my dad is a desert storm vet. And my grandpa is a vietnam vet... my husband's grandpa is a WWII vet. So, yeah... I think they go over to protect this country. Whether that's how they view it or not, that's essentially what they sign up to do. Sign yourself over, to protect America's interests. Whether's it's oil, terrorism, or whatever else is out there.