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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    Let me answer this for you; Yes.

    Whatever your opinions and views are, generally people who serve in the Military are good, honest people who want to do nothing more to serve their country in one of the most dangerous, and courageous ways possible. To hate people who are in the Military, on the basis that they advocate war is childish and pathetic.

    Like it or not, we live in a world where everyone has a big stick. I'm not going to put mine down until everyone else does!
    But why should you go to their backyard more than a thousand miles away to show your stick?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by BaP View Post
    Please name a country that we are ruling over and taking all their oil???
    Taking it would be too obvious. You just have to install corrupt puppet regimes that take bribes and sell their countries riches for a fraction of their value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volkanik View Post
    I would choose the latter.
    So you would fight your own countrymen, but scoff at people that fight abroad?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiralphoenix View Post
    You're watering down the word "terrorist" to where it really doesn't mean anything anymore. The shooters at Sandy hook/Colorado weren't part of an organization that is behind significant attacks all over the world, at the very least weekly, with a burning hatred for everything western and actual planning behind what they are doing.
    You're actually overspecifying the word. If you use violence as a means to advance a political idea or position, you are a terrorist. You don't need to be part of some organization. In fact, terrorists don't generally work as a large organization but rather as solo operatives or in small cells.

    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    So you would fight your own countrymen, but scoff at people that fight abroad?
    Fighting somebody who is attempting to force you to do something, such as fight as war that you don't believe in, is just.

    Bergtau's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that somebody will mention Godwin's Law approaches 1.
    Hitler wasn't all bad, I mean, he DID kill Hitler.
    An accident is something that you did not mean to do at all. A mistake is something that you regret doing.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Taking it would be too obvious. You just have to install corrupt puppet regimes that take bribes and sell their countries riches for a fraction of their value.
    Again, this is just /so/ much easier than drilling more here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tzzentch View Post
    honestly what happened in BC? it's like the 60's of WoW everything is in awful colours, shit doesn't make sense and i feel like i'm trippin bawls everytime i level an alt past 58...
    Shattarath is kinda pretty but outside is a technicolor nightmare that looks like someone tied horses to the contrast slider and fired a rifle

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    So you would fight your own countrymen, but scoff at people that fight abroad?
    I would fight for my own survival.

  7. #27
    Do they really fight to protect our freedom? Or do they fight because that's what they get paid for?

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Nos View Post
    I would like further explanation on this comment... If this were just after WWII, I'd get it. This day and age, I do not.
    EU countries still pay for the Marshal Plan (WWII).
    Secondly, weapons manufacturing is a huge part of the domestic trade economy; without that much war, there wouldn't be that much demand for weapon manufacturing (or other military services provided by civilian companies) which would result in a huge loss of jobs, for one thing. But also trade with other countries (both selling weapons and buying parts) would be impacted severely. The US cannot give up military action; it's trying to balance military economy with non-military economy, and the balance is pretty fragile.

    Edit: Let's also not forget that military service is one of the few ways in which the really poor can escape the crab bucket. Escaping the crab bucket is also great for the general economy.
    Last edited by Stir; 2013-02-07 at 02:43 PM.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by volkanik View Post
    Yes I'm more mad at the politicians, but at the same time if less people joined the military, maybe they would get the hint.
    I feel like this is probably true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vallin View Post
    Wrong. Remember how its ILLEGAL for you not to sign up for selective service at age 18? If less people joined the military, the government would re-enact selective service to refill the ranks.
    I feel like you haven't spent 30 seconds thinking about what the public reaction would be if the government started drafting citizens into the military to go to war with Iraq, Iran, or whoever. It would be enormous. Some might even call it a 'revolution.'

    Politicians don't have complete control over everything, yet.

  10. #30
    The war in Iraq was first called "Operation Iraqi Liberation", but was quickly changed after they realized it spelled "OIL". The soldiers are not at fault for buying the propaganda that's being fed to them on a daily basis, they are honest people "defending" their country; it's the leaders/politicians that apparently believe that war and oil is a good stimulant for the world economy and its growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volkanik View Post
    What are your thoughts on these people? Every time I hear someone talk about the military and how thankful they are for them for fighting for our freedom and defending our country, I just die a little inside, and seriously want to punch a hole in the wall with my head. No they are not fighting for our freedom, and no they are not defending our country. No country in the Middle East is a serious threat to the United States. Their response: "But we're over there to combat terrorism". Wake the fuck up, terrorists are everywhere. That guy that shot a bunch of kids in that Sandy Hook elementary school, terrorist. That guy that shot all those people in that movie theater in Colorado, terrorist. That guy that shot a crap ton of people in Norway, terrorist. You can not go to a specific part of the world in hopes of combating an idea. It's simply propaganda.

    The only time they are defending us is if our country is in danger like when Japan bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor in WW2.
    You totally convinced me. It's all propaganda.


    No, wait. You didn't. Your logic is completely flawed anyway. How is Sand Hook an argument for propaganda regarding foreign combat missions?

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by volkanik View Post

    The only time they are defending us is if our country is in danger like when Japan bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor in WW2.
    Or flying planes into buildings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Do they really fight to protect our freedom? Or do they fight because that's what they get paid for?
    There are much easier, better paying jobs out there, much safer too. Look up what a PFC earns and ask whether risking getting your legs blown off is worth it for that much.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeltons View Post
    The war in Iraq was first called "Operation Iraqi Liberation", but was quickly changed after they realized it spelled "OIL". The soldiers are not at fault for buying the propaganda that's being fed to them on a daily basis, they are honest people "defending" their country; it's the leaders/politicians that apparently believe that war and oil is a good stimulant for the world economy and its growth.
    Debatable. Soldiers follow orders for money, that's the truth of it.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Nos View Post
    Again, this is just /so/ much easier than drilling more here.
    If 'we' (meaning corporations) drilled for oil here, it would mean paying American workers with benefits and all that entails.

    On the other hand, paying off politicians to go to war over it, (at the tax payer's expense, not the company's) and then getting paid to rebuild what our own military has destroyed (which is exactly what they do, at tax payer's expense) and then charging the local population for those services (which is exactly what they do) such as water, or oil fields, (getting oil much cheaper than otherwise possible) and having a monopoly over said service...

    Yes, the second option is a lot more profitable. That's also what has been happening for many years now.

  16. #36
    I think we all know who the "real" terrorists in this world are, but in a world that relies so heavily on Oil, I guess some countries just have to take action into their own hands to acquire it. It just makes me laugh that the so-called terrorists decide to take their anger out on certain countries just because they have freedom? I mean, that's the dumbest excuse ever to want to go and incite violence there, I don't buy it but sheep will be sheep heh.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Nos View Post
    What a new and fresh opinion. But wouldn't it be cheaper for us to just drill for oil on our own land?
    Not for private investors and weapon manufacturers who spend millions every year to lobby politicians.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Vallin View Post
    These people give up their lives for what they believe is right
    That doesn't mean they are right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vallin View Post
    Their sacrifices deserve some amount of recognition.
    No it doesn't. It means that you think they do.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    There are much easier, better paying jobs out there, much safer too. Look up what a PFC earns and ask whether risking getting your legs blown off is worth it for that much.
    A soldier does what's asked of him by his government, that may not always be protecting their fellow countrymen's freedom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    Without the US military, its economy would be a joke.
    Those three meals you can afford every day? You owe that to the military. You might not like it, but you do.

    Have a nice meal.
    Is kind of sad but i have to agree with Stir, US make a lot of money out of war (selling weapons to their militia and others country)

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