Pandaren Racial Speech.. are you kidding me?

**mvallas** · 2013-02-09, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock

And you bring up this "issue" months after the release why? Why not during Beta?

People did bring it up in Beta.

I also distinctly remember back then the responses by subsequent posters saying "It's still in Beta - they'll probably change it for release."

**Pebrocks The Warlock** · 2013-02-09, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by mvallas

People did bring it up in Beta.

I also distinctly remember back then the responses by subsequent posters saying "It's still in Beta - they'll probably change it for release."

I also remember people saying they like the language as is.

**Aeluron Lightsong** · 2013-02-09, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock

I also remember people saying they like the language as is.

I don't blame them. Personally I find it amusing that is their racial language.

**rhorle** · 2013-02-09, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Coronius

So many angry people here going "This is unimportant". Totally irrelevant, not to mention highly subjective.

RPer here, and while I can admit that it doesn't bother me too much (mainly because I almost never see cross-faction speech nowadays), I still think it's inconsistent with the rest of the game. It's true that WoW has a lot of comedy in it, but everything has been approperiately incorporated into the lore one way or another. But keeping the Pandaren speech like this? It's something that belongs in beta, not in the finished product. It just strengthens the perspective of the Pandaren being one big joke, when it's been clearly stated that they're not.

Maybe Pandarens use a very guttural and animalistic language. So to an outsider it sounds like the same phrase being repeated over and over again. The problem isn't with the game. The problem is with how certain people perceive MoP to only be one thing only and never able to be anything other then childish. But part of being an adult is to know when to act childish and to know when not to.

Pandaria is hardly one big joke. If it is then all of WoW is one big joke because it exhibits no more joke worthy material then the rest of the game.

**GennGreymane** · 2013-02-09, 06:35 AM

and the forsaken cant speak common and cant understand it (although they did in alpha vanilla)

the gilneans have a diff language when it never seemed like it was the case for humans in general

the blood elves just forgot common

**rhorle** · 2013-02-09, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dasani

You can blame the people who perceive racism where it doesn't exist and overly sensitive people in modern societies, and so on for the language being what it is.

The pandaren language would be extremely close to chinese, and without actually directly translating your text to it accurately it would've had to be psuedo-chinese that just "looks" like it.

That is just stupid. Just because Pandarens are Asian themed (or the panda is a Chinese thing) doesn't mean they would have to speak anything closely resembling Chinese. Besides it is clear that their language takes influence from certain real world cultures because of the naming conventions of NPC's and places in the game. Dwarves don't speak Scottish despite having a Scottish theme.

**The Glitch** · 2013-02-09, 06:41 AM

I'm on an RP realm albeit a fairly medium pop one, and have never seen anyone using their race chat for years.. so I certainly didn't know that this was the Pandaren language... I'm a bit perplexed, I mean I know all the other races languages are gibberish too, but this seems out of place... I can see the funny in it, but it still feels out of place.

**mvallas** · 2013-02-09, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock

I also remember people saying they like the language as is.

Many liked it... many also didn't. You know that. :P

---------- Post added 2013-02-09 at 06:45 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Aeluron

I don't blame them. Personally I find it amusing that is their racial language.

I for one don't mind it either - but it did kinda smack of "lazyness" and was really oddly out of place compared to the other languages.

It wasn't a dealbreaker for me at all, but I totally understand why others may not like it.

**PizzaSHARK** · 2013-02-09, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Trassk

Panda 1: "Oom Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom?"
Panda 2: "Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom!"
Panda 1: "NOM NOM NOM, nomnomnomn"
Panda 2: "Ooooom nom nom nom"

This, is by far one of the most annoying things currently in wow for me. To anyone whos not an rper they probably don't care much, but as an rper, seeing this joke played on by blizzard with there racial language barrier, if any perpetuation of what is childish about pandaren was ever present, its this it.

It feels like when any other race is talking in there racial language, that the the devs put some thought into it, tauren, troll, draenei, forsaken, seemed like they made the effort. This however, when trying to rp with someone, its worse then having someone coming to troll your event, because its consider a legitimate language?

Blizzard's treatment of the pandas pisses me off. I ultimately caved and race swapped to panda because the panda guys basically have my personality, but I hate how... Disney the whole race (and entire expansion for the most part) feels compared to everything else. The only other races that come close are goblins and gnomes.

Would it have killed them to avoid copying Kung Fu Panda with the panda NPCs and stuff? :/

**Lokann** · 2013-02-09, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by GennGreymane

the gilneans have a diff language when it never seemed like it was the case for humans in general

Only one NPC. Worgen still only speak Common, or did last I checked.

**rhorle** · 2013-02-09, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK

Would it have killed them to avoid copying Kung Fu Panda with the panda NPCs and stuff? :/

Pandaren and the idea's for their culture predate the move Kung Fu panda. Kung Fu panda was released in 2008, and the Pandaren were originally going to be released in 2007. Just because they are a fun loving peace loving culture doesn't make them Disney let alone why is Disney bad in the first place? Avengers is Disney, Iron man is Disney, all the latest Marvel movies are Disney. A lot of the classic Disney movies deal with orphanage after someone is murdered (Bambi, Fox and the Hound) and two of the darkest are Black Hole and The Black Cauldron.

Why is Disney an Insult again? If you are going to insult and hate on the expansion at least do it with a little bit of validity.

**Miraclous** · 2013-02-09, 09:58 AM

It's called humor

**Lokann** · 2013-02-09, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by rhorle

Pandaren and the idea's for their culture predate the move Kung Fu panda. Kung Fu panda was released in 2008, and the Pandaren were originally going to be released in 2007. Just because they are a fun loving peace loving culture doesn't make them Disney let alone why is Disney bad in the first place? Avengers is Disney, Iron man is Disney, all the latest Marvel movies are Disney. A lot of the classic Disney movies deal with orphanage after someone is murdered (Bambi, Fox and the Hound) and two of the darkest are Black Hole and The Black Cauldron.

Why is Disney an Insult again? If you are going to insult and hate on the expansion at least do it with a little bit of validity.

Besides, the sha don't exist, the mantid don't exist, the mogu don't exist, Garrosh isn't murdering people left and right, the conflict isn't turning a whole continent into a warzone...

All MoP is about is cooking stuff for fat pandas. Srsly. So childish.

**Aquamonkey** · 2013-02-09, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by rhorle

That is just stupid. Just because Pandarens are Asian themed (or the panda is a Chinese thing) doesn't mean they would have to speak anything closely resembling Chinese. Besides it is clear that their language takes influence from certain real world cultures because of the naming conventions of NPC's and places in the game. Dwarves don't speak Scottish despite having a Scottish theme.

Song of Liu Lang is in Chinese. Therefore Pandaren speak Chinese.

**PizzaSHARK** · 2013-02-09, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by rhorle

Pandaren and the idea's for their culture predate the move Kung Fu panda.

And, yet, there are very obvious parallels between the two, and the fully fleshed out Pandaren in MoP are predated by Kung Fu Panda. Chen Stormstout in War3 (the only Pandaren NPC of any significance) was goofy, but he wasn't straight up cartoony.

No, panda males were made to have several obvious parallels to Kung Fu Panda. Hell, the entire MoP expansion is a lot more family-friendly than WotLK or Cataclysm ever were.

Why is Disney an Insult again? If you are going to insult and hate on the expansion at least do it with a little bit of validity.

Because it's incongruous with the rest of Warcraft. Warcraft has moments of levity but it's ultimately a somewhat serious setting.

MoP has reversed this, making it mostly levity with moments of seriousness.

**Mandible** · 2013-02-09, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK

And, yet, there are very obvious parallels between the two, and the fully fleshed out Pandaren in MoP are predated by Kung Fu Panda. Chen Stormstout in War3 (the only Pandaren NPC of any significance) was goofy, but he wasn't straight up cartoony.

No, panda males were made to have several obvious parallels to Kung Fu Panda. Hell, the entire MoP expansion is a lot more family-friendly than WotLK or Cataclysm ever were.

Did you ever consider its just so deeply rooted stereotypes, or that Kung Fu Panda was inspired by the Pandaran, which makes the two so similar?

**Landin55** · 2013-02-09, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Voyager

Gnome Mages, Blood Elf Warriors, Worgen/Goblin DKs.... the list goes on.

Wait sorry what? Gnomes shouldn't be mages!?!?Belfs shouldn't be warriors? WTF? God you people are just ridiculous. We knew about NE mages since Vanilla, Undead hunters.......Fucking Nathanos Blightcaller...... Champion of the forsaken.....http://www.wowwiki.com/Nathanos_Blightcaller. Learn something today newbs.

**PizzaSHARK** · 2013-02-09, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mandible

Did you ever consider its just so deeply rooted stereotypes, or that Kung Fu Panda was inspired by the Pandaran, which makes the two so similar?

Considering Kung Fu Panda predates MoP Pandaren? No.

**Lord Pebbleton** · 2013-02-09, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Fiend

Would you have prefer it to be CHIN CHONG BING BONG?

Oooh yes! Sounds awesome!

**Coronius** · 2013-02-09, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by rhorle

Maybe Pandarens use a very guttural and animalistic language. So to an outsider it sounds like the same phrase being repeated over and over again. The problem isn't with the game. The problem is with how certain people perceive MoP to only be one thing only and never able to be anything other then childish. But part of being an adult is to know when to act childish and to know when not to.

Pandaria is hardly one big joke. If it is then all of WoW is one big joke because it exhibits no more joke worthy material then the rest of the game.

Which is exactly my point. The Pandaren speech doesn't exactly promote this however.

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