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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You lick blizzard's ass
    I lick no ones animals thank you very much

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    Either the original poster is terribly bored with this game and should find another... or he's trolling.

    Some of the suggested ideas could actually be fantastic if implemented well, but there's no need to cast aside all of the things that have made this game great or outright ignore features just because you don't like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totle View Post
    Pet Battles
    One of the best things ever added to the game. Just a shame that they decided to destroy the Fluxfire Feline in 5.2 though.

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    The thing is, it's such a sensitive audience that they could change one little thing and it could cause a massive uproar. It's a very risky game so they have to stick to basic things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    One of the best things ever added to the game. Just a shame that they decided to destroy the Fluxfire Feline in 5.2 though.
    I've actually been surprised by how much I've enjoyed Pet Battles. That said, the FFF was absurdly overpowered. They may have gone too far with the nerf, but I am glad that it's been toned down. Hopefully there'll be more variety now.

    (And yes, I'm well aware that it can be countered... I built my PvP team with a speedy FFF, but also counters to counters for the FFF. I just think it's silly that the FFF was so powerful against the PvE tamers and I look forward to figuring out new strategies)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    Lose 7 million players? So what, WoW did fine its first years with only 1-2 million. Most MMOs would kill to have that kind of active player base.
    You must not know how businesses works.

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    Just wanted to say, it's not a bad idea

    -> The Flaw: why would you want to change the game so much? You're talking about actually demolishing the game for 85% of the fan base?

    Good Luck

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    Blizzard are one of the large developers that continue to innovate in gaming. LFR is a massive innovation just in terms of the scale of such a thing. Even as someone who can generally understand the principles behind the design of something in software, LFR is still one that amazes me.

    CRZ is the same. I can't even begin to imagine the dynamics that they've got going on in the background to make that work.

    Scenarios aren't all that amazing, it's just tuned numbers and shorter maps.

    Phasing is pretty amazing. I mean, I kinda understand the technicalities behind it, but it still amazes me that they actually made it into something that's relatively flawless. 'Relatively' is the important term here.

    People may not agree or like the ideas, but that doesn't change the fact that they're innovative. You could bitch and whine all you want and lean on your hatred, but me, I'm quite happy with the innovations Blizzard continue to make and it's one area I can't fault them on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?

    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???

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    Lost me at "Lose 7 million players? So what" do you know what the aim of a profit based business is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    WHAT

    EVER.

    4 expansions and 90% of new content gets finished in a month, followed by 3-4 months of grinding static bosses which have no effect on the world itself and offer no sense of danger to the player.

    WHAT.

    EVER.

    People like you probably defended tape casettes because CDs and DVDs meant re-buying all your collection.


    WHAT.


    EVER!!
    Your credibility was already non existant before this thread, but now you've passed the threshold of ridiculous. Take a chill pill and come back later.

    ... on second thought, don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    One of the best things ever added to the game. Just a shame that they decided to destroy the Fluxfire Feline in 5.2 though.
    C'mon, you have to admit that the FFF HAD to be nerfed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    You must not know how businesses works.
    I was thinking the exact same thing.

    Losing 7 million because of a design decision, from the point of view of the shareholders and blizzard employees would be a huge, HUGE mistake. They would lose out on so much money because of a risky venture that would essentially ruin the game for the majority. That's bad business. Extremely bad business.

    So on that reason alone, it would never happen. They might take risks (and often do take small risks) but they will never make a design decision that would cause them to lose that many people. And if they did, they would promptly be fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    C'mon, you have to admit that the FFF HAD to be nerfed.
    He's one of my main lineup, he definitely needs a nerf. There is no doubt about it he is far too powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    C'mon, you have to admit that the FFF HAD to be nerfed.
    There's a big difference between nerfing something and outright destroying something. It's comparable to removing Combustion and replacing it with some weak new AOE spell just because Fire Mages were overpowered.
    They instead could have nerfed the Supercharge bonus from 150% down something like 75% or 100% and it would have been fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    There's a big difference between nerfing something and outright destroying something. It's comparable to removing Combustion and replacing it with some weak new AOE spell just because Fire Mages were overpowered.
    They instead could have nerfed the Supercharge bonus from 150% down something like 75% or 100% and it would have been fine.
    My guess on why they didn't do that is because Supercharge is used by other pets as well. Sure, they could have made a weaker Supercharge tailored just for the FFF, but then again... it's not like people use the pet for other reason than it being overpowered as hell. You can bet that if it had never been so overpowered, it wouldn't be even half as popular as it is now.

    Don't think we should be talking about that here though
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    TBH there aren't many good MMOs that WoW can learn from. Hell even GW2 has its own flaws & lets not even touch on MMOs like DCU or SWToR.
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    Did you just make a thread titled "Would it kill them to try NEW things" and suggested WoW should be made like it was 7 years ago?

    Um..irony on a high level or what?

    Yup..they did make a lot of new things and that is why WoW didn't get killed.
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    In my opinion: The reason Blizzard have so many subscribers compered to any other MMO's is because they don't do that shit anymore.

    I would quit in a second if they made every thing back to a large scale (remove competetive 10 mans, force us to do 25 or 40 mans) cus honestly, the game play of 40 mans sucks.

    World bosses attacking cities? 100-200 people fighting a boss. No ty... Boring gameplay:/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    I don't think the game is bad, I love the new additions and what the game has to offer.


    So you want them to put innovative stuff in it..
    But then attack them and rage if they put innovative stuff in it?
    The irony is delicious!
    Except it isn't innovative at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totle View Post
    Pet Battles - Easily recognizable as a bad pokemon rip-off.
    Scenarios - Easily recognizable as a terrible easy dungeon.
    Brawlers Guild - While I approve of this to a degree, in game monster arenas have been in games for quite a while (FF7, Overlord, etc, etc).
    Treasure hunts - Treasure hunts are certainly new and innovative... Something never seen in history or games ever.
    Farms - A glorified bad rip-off of farmville and all other said farming simulators?
    Dynamic legendary progression - What a good way to spice this up... did Blizzard actually say this or are you just making it up yourself to make it sound better than it is?

    I didn't realize these were all in game prior to Mists of Pandaria
    I believe OP was talking about new, innovative things to gaming and the genre in general. You know... sort of like they pulled out in the initial release and following expansion, and not so much afterwards. If you can name one new, innovative thing they added in the past 2 expansions (MoP, Cata) you deserve a cookie. I'm talking actual gameplay wise, and not system mechanics, because be honest, there really isn't. The last thing worth even honorable mention is the implementation of heroic mode raids (WotLK), and that was really just the next step up from heroic dungeons already added in BC. Vehicles and phasing added in wrath might honestly be the only real one since BC, and those ones had very mixed results. (Phasing while more a system change had huge implications on gameplay as well, LFR, LFD, and CRZ are system changes with minimal changes to gameplay and quite a bit of negative feedback.)

    I pretty much agree with OP. While his presentation is a bit lackluster, pretending he doesn't have a point just because of such is ignorant. It's quite clear to anyone involved with WoW over the years that they have not only produced less and less innovative content, but they have slowly made things easier, clearer, and more open... which isn't completely a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?

    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???

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    Why should you change the recipe if your dish gets eaten? You invent a new recipe to keep customers coming to your restaurant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celar View Post
    In my opinion: The reason Blizzard have so many subscribers compered to any other MMO's is because they don't do that shit anymore.

    I would quit in a second if they made every thing back to a large scale (remove competetive 10 mans, force us to do 25 or 40 mans) cus honestly, the game play of 40 mans sucks.

    World bosses attacking cities? 100-200 people fighting a boss. No ty... Boring gameplay:/
    While I agree with most of what you said, raiding, outside of the first kill or two, is not competitive. Competition requires you to have an opponent playing against you, which you do not when you raid. You kill npcs. You are not competing.

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