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    Would it kill them to try new things?

    So what if it would allienate all these fossil players who live to reminiscence about the "good ole days", as if it were 20 years ago, what if it would change the PVP and PVE formula from grinding gear to just plain ole fun? Lose 7 million players? So what, WoW did fine its first years with only 1-2 million. Most MMOs would kill to have that kind of active player base. EVE only runs with a couple hundred thousand, yet it still runs great.

    Assume the devs did something to WoW like creating world events PVE instead of quests, assume they made Naval Combat PVP and removed arenas and focused on massive scale PVP BGs and world PVP objectives and removed stuns and fears and most of this bullshit, and tried to go back to an old school Warcraft feeling instead of giving new daily quest hubs every expansion and using the same old tired raiding formula.

    Makes bosses attack cities, take over towns, make players WANT to go out there and fight instead of queuing for instances for everything.

    You would lose 7-8 million players? Imagine how many you would GAIN or make come back, especially with your new models for all races.

    It would be a breath of fresh air to try and make the next Waracraft expansion something we've never seen before!

    Look at all these MMOs and learn from them. People still love what Warcraft was back in the RTSs and in the original WoW, from there on you should've springboarded every expansion and expanded the MMO genre, instead you went staler and staler until all your good villains were dead and all your good stories were reduced to banalities.

    Now pandaren... god at least if their continent had brought something new to warcraft except new textures.


    FUCKING DO SOMETHING WITH THIS UNIVERSE YOU'VE CREATED BLIZZARD. IF YOU'VE MANAGED TO SELL SOMETHING AS DUMB AS PANDARIA I'M SURE YOU'LL GET ACTUAL RESPECT FOR REINVIGORATING THE WARCRAFT UNIVERSE.

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    Just because you don't like Pandaria doesn't mean it's not new, creative, and exciting.
    Also, we aren't Blizzard.
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    RAAAAAWR RAGE MOAR RAGE!!!

    You mean something new like:
    LFR, CRZ, Pet Battles, Scenario's?

    instead you went staler and staler until all your good villains were dead and all your good stories were reduced to banalities.
    Last time I checked there were more than enough good villains and stories.
    But I like the hypocrisy in your post :')
    "Blizzard, do new stuff! It doesn't matter if people dislike it." and "Blizzard, your new stuff sucks! You should care about my opinion"
    Did you actually read your post before you posted it?

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    Change is bad, if i wanted to play something other than world of Warcraft, I'd drop my sub and play something else.

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    Naval combat PvP sounds like a good idea, either that or aerial PvP reminiscent of ICC airship battle

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    Look at all these MMOs and learn from them.
    You mean all of the other MMO's that have been crushed by World of Warcraft and are now languishing with very few subscribers or have changed to be F2P. Which is the problem really. If stuff in other MMO's was so popular and would bring back so many former customers why isn't it working for them now?

    Making changes that would, in your own words, lose 7-8 million customers is curious logic.
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    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?

    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???

    Infracted. Keep your posts civil when arguing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Just because you don't like Pandaria doesn't mean it's not new, creative, and exciting.
    Also, we aren't Blizzard.
    This.

    What you're saying is, you want Blizzard to tailor the game to the way you want it to be and risk alienating 8 million customers. You do realize that is $120 million a month they'd lose to fit your style right?

    Frankly, until Blizzard does lose those 8 million players, you won't see changes. No reason to change a system that puts money in their pockets monthly on an amazing scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?

    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???
    This is no way to act if you want to get your "point" across. You've lost all credibility you had, which wasn't much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?

    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???

    Infracted. Keep your posts civil when arguing
    They innovate plenty. Why "fix" something if it isn't broken? Sure if they can make it work, it'd be great, but the truth is with a vocal minority like you, people then bitch that they aren't putting more work into raids or new zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.
    I don't think the game is bad, I love the new additions and what the game has to offer.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?
    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???
    So you want them to put innovative stuff in it..
    But then attack them and rage if they put innovative stuff in it?
    The irony is delicious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    You goddamn fossils you're the reason why the game is so bad! You lick blizzard's ass in everything and you have no imagination about how great this game could be.

    PET BATTLES? CROSS REALM ZONES? SCENARIOS?

    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKKK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO INNOVATE OR HELP TO PUSH THIS MMO FORWARD???
    Well, SOMEONE needs a chill pill. Look, as people have pointed out, read what you type before sending it. In one sentence you're insulting Blizzard's current improvements on WoW and demanding Blizzard to improve the game regardless of other people's opinion... but then, AT THE SAME TIME, you're insulting Blizzard for making alterations that you don't like? Double-standards much?

    Cross-Realm Zones help low-populated servers to find more players around while leveling, instead of feeling the entire 1 through 90 leveling trip feel like a single-player game. Pet Battles offer people other things to do other than simply raiding and questing.

    What you propose in your opening post, once we filter all the meaningless insults and all, is that you don't want World of Warcraft. You want an entirely new game that hasn't been made, yet.

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    What you are forgetting is that Blizzard is part of a publicly traded company. They have shareholders that they have to answer to. And shareholders only care about profit, both immediate and long term. So to a certain degree Blizzard's hands are tied. Do you want to know what would happen if Blizzard did some radical changes that resulted in rapidly losing 2/3 of it's players? 6-8 million subscribers lost in a quarter or so? Most likely every single member of upper management would be fired. Along with most of the developers who were directly responsible. Activision-Blizzard stock would tank. There actually would probably be a large number of layoffs across the entire organization. Given that most members of management had clearly proven that they are incompetent by allowing this hypothetical set of changes to proceed, it would not be beyond reason that Blizzard would cease to exist as an independent development studio, instead having it's still active or in-development IPs absorbed into the larger Activision corporate structure. WoW would dwindle to a fraction of its current population, and in all likelihood given the age of the game, be shut down completely within a few years at most.

    In short, it would be a total disaster.

    You do not massively "innovate" (by which I mean making changes just for the sake of doing things differently just to see what sticks) or add rapid, drastic changes to a long standing successful IP. Ask the former devs of Star Wars Galaxies how well that went for them. If you want Blizzard to be innovative in the MMO genre, then Titan is what you are looking at for all those hopes.

    Also, simply because they are not the changes YOU want to see does not mean that the things Blizzard is doing with WoW are not innovative.
    All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
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    WHAT

    EVER.

    4 expansions and 90% of new content gets finished in a month, followed by 3-4 months of grinding static bosses which have no effect on the world itself and offer no sense of danger to the player.

    WHAT.

    EVER.

    People like you probably defended tape casettes because CDs and DVDs meant re-buying all your collection.


    WHAT.


    EVER!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
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    Why fix what isn't broken? Play a new game, you obviously can't handle this one.
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    People don't like change, not on a scale like that. You're essentially asking for an entirely new game (heavily based on Rift, it seems to me), rather than innovative but still somewhat familiar changes to WoW.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    WHAT.


    EVER!!
    The only thing you're accomplishing is making yourself look dreadfully silly.

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    ICC battle ship WoW PvP map, awesome! I wonder how that'll be in rbgs

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    Go play another game. Blizzard isn't going to alienate most of their players just because you've gotten bored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post

    Now pandaren... god at least if their continent had brought something new to warcraft except new textures.
    Pet Battles
    Scenarios
    Brawlers Guild
    Treasure hunts
    Farms
    Dynamic legendary progression

    I didn't realize these were all in game prior to Mists of Pandaria

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