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  1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Ji-kun's logs are messed up, they don't properly register you losing the debuff until the person logging gets back in range from egg/add duty. Would you please provide a log?
    Our logs are private,

    but I can give you a screen of the buffs:

    http://i.imgur.com/NofgEpt.png

    Fight was 6 min and 6 sec long.

    I logged the fight btw.

  2. #582
    My fight was 6 minutes and 15 seconds long.

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/3...?s=6844&e=7219

    It says I got 45.2% uptime on the VP trinket which is impossible.

    http://i.imgur.com/kC2Hjyt.png

    Take a look at this, the ICDs of both trinkets make this impossible. It is just the combat recorder messing up.

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  3. #583
    Does anyone care to explain all this talk about crit -> haste -> mastery when you have rentaki + bad juju and 2 pc?
    Why does haste become better then mastery?

  4. #584
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    My fight was 6 minutes and 15 seconds long.

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/3...?s=6844&e=7219

    It says I got 45.2% uptime on the VP trinket which is impossible.

    http://i.imgur.com/kC2Hjyt.png

    Take a look at this, the ICDs of both trinkets make this impossible. It is just the combat recorder messing up.

    I counted them while fighting :-)

  5. #585
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    Does anyone care to explain all this talk about crit -> haste -> mastery when you have rentaki + bad juju and 2 pc?
    Why does haste become better then mastery?
    Technically, haste already is slightly better than mastery, but haste increases the proc frequency of your Real PPM trinkets thus boosting your dps even higher. I'd say that if you have one Real PPM ability/trinket then go haste > mastery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haxlax View Post
    I counted them while fighting :-)
    Would you mind taking a screenshot just like mine of your fight with your trinkets? I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

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  6. #586
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    My fight was 6 minutes and 15 seconds long.

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/3...?s=6844&e=7219

    It says I got 45.2% uptime on the VP trinket which is impossible.

    http://i.imgur.com/kC2Hjyt.png

    Take a look at this, the ICDs of both trinkets make this impossible. It is just the combat recorder messing up.
    Well you can see his log records 9 procs which adds up to 180 seconds, while your log is only 4 procs with 170 seconds, which obviously is inaccurate. RNG is RNG.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    Does anyone care to explain all this talk about crit -> haste -> mastery when you have rentaki + bad juju and 2 pc?
    Why does haste become better then mastery?
    ToT trinkets and both 2pc and 4pc use the real proc per minute system, which means haste increases their chance to proc.

  7. #587
    Quote Originally Posted by Cidis View Post
    Well you can see his log records 9 procs which adds up to 180 seconds, while your log is only 4 procs with 170 seconds, which obviously is inaccurate. RNG is RNG.
    If they really got 49% uptime (which is possible) then I'm sorry, it just seems a little out of the ordinary to get high uptime on a fight that isn't logging trinket procs properly.

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  8. #588
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Technically, haste already is slightly better than mastery, but haste increases the proc frequency of your Real PPM trinkets thus boosting your dps even higher. I'd say that if you have one Real PPM ability/trinket then go haste > mastery.
    The VP one is real PPM right?

  9. #589
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    The VP one is real PPM right?
    No. The vp one is on the traditional trinket system.

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  10. #590
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    No. The vp one is on the traditional trinket system.
    Ah, quess i'll need to wait then;p

  11. #591
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    Ah, quess i'll need to wait then;p
    Don't you have the 2 piece? That's on the Real PPM system.

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  12. #592
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post

    Would you mind taking a screenshot just like mine of your fight with your trinkets? I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

    Dunno where I can find the stats you are looking for.

    Worth adding though is that the uptime on the other bosses tonight and yesterday was:

    Jin'rokh HC: 24.1 % (05:32)
    Horridon HC: 21.4 % (10:54)
    Council: 20.2 % (06:36)
    Durumu: 10.5% (06:20)
    Primordius: 22.3 % (05:58)
    Animus: 31.0 % (04:04)
    Iron Qon: 32.8 % (09:08)
    Lei Shen: 25.5 % (07:50)


    So Ji'kun was just a lucky thing.
    Last edited by Haxlax; 2013-03-26 at 12:47 AM.

  13. #593
    Quote Originally Posted by Haxlax View Post
    Dunno where I can find the stats you are looking for.

    Worth adding though is that the uptime on the other bosses tonight and yesterday was:

    Jin'rokh HC: 24.1 % (05:32)
    Horridon HC: 21.4 % (10:54)
    Council: 20.2 % (06:36)
    Durumu: 10.5% (06:20)
    Primordius: 22.3 % (05:58)
    Animus: 31.0 % (04:04)
    Iron Qon: 32.8 % (09:08)
    Lei Shen: 25.5 % (07:50)


    So Ji'kun was just a lucky thing.
    You click on the # next to the buff named Blades of Renataki / Blades (the proc gives 2 buffs, the stacking and the actual agility).

    If you check my log of Ji-kun heroic for tonight, http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ms...=11110&e=11713 - go to "buffs gained", click on the # icon next to "blades", and you can see when the proc stacks up. At the start, it stacks 1->10 like it's supposed to, another proc a little later on, a third quickly followed by a fourth - where I stay on 6 procs *forever*, untill the NEXT time I proc renataki's, and they're allowed to drop off.

  14. #594
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    You click on the # next to the buff named Blades of Renataki / Blades (the proc gives 2 buffs, the stacking and the actual agility).

    If you check my log of Ji-kun heroic for tonight, http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ms...=11110&e=11713 - go to "buffs gained", click on the # icon next to "blades", and you can see when the proc stacks up. At the start, it stacks 1->10 like it's supposed to, another proc a little later on, a third quickly followed by a fourth - where I stay on 6 procs *forever*, untill the NEXT time I proc renataki's, and they're allowed to drop off.
    Ridiculous bug?

    I need that trinket
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    Ra-den is what you get when a designer thinks that's actually a really good idea.
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  15. #595
    Quote Originally Posted by Dela2k10 View Post
    Ridiculous bug?

    I need that trinket
    Bug with the log, not with the trinket. It didn't record his buff properly.

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  16. #596
    yeah i realise that now, point still stands though, i need it
    Quote Originally Posted by Jhazrun View Post
    You know how people talk about how you could just make a piece of rock with a billion health and damage and call it "hard"?

    Ra-den is what you get when a designer thinks that's actually a really good idea.
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  17. #597
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Would you mind taking a screenshot just like mine of your fight with your trinkets? I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

    http://i.imgur.com/lmZWQcl.png
    Last edited by Haxlax; 2013-03-26 at 03:09 AM.

  18. #598
    Quote Originally Posted by Haxlax View Post
    That is one lucky proc streak.

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  19. #599
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehstool View Post
    Don't you have the 2 piece? That's on the Real PPM system.
    That i have, thanks mate!

  20. #600
    I think that talisman and rune aren't worth it , renataki and juju can provide much more agility , and even with bad luck it will average somewhere around the amount that rune / talisman already provide passively. so can we say that renataki and juju are the way to go or what?

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