"Doomguard says: ...before Sargeras freed us, we were the Titan's hounds. Forever enslaved to police the use of arcane magics."
Not necessarily created by the Titans.
What bothers me mostly about WoW lore is that seemingly anything that has a role in the WoW story is killed in a raid. Everything must die and be looted. Oooh, some poor creature possessed by an evil mastermind? Just kill it and loot it! It was never really clear to me why we killed for example Zul'jin. Or why did we kill the stuff in Maraudon?
The lore has been changed and modified too much, just to fit the current needs of the game.
It is fine but I have to dissagree with ICC and Naxx. The scourge become independent after the events of Warcraft 3 and the Frozen Throne
The fact that the scarlet crusade was created by one of the agents of Sargeas to get their vengance
The scourge mastermind was Arthas and no Sargeas, at least during Wow
They created their faceless armies and elemental lieutenants so they could sit back and laugh while their forces all killed each other.
They weren't really fighting for "control" of Azeroth; before the titans came, they already ruled it.
Anyway, as has been said, OP, I'd suggest changing it to list the scourge's motives as being their own.
I find the list a bit weird - biggest question mark being the Scourge that has become separate and an enemy of the Burning Legion once Arthas became the LK.
If you apply that Scourge-> KJ -> therefore Sargeras to every other bosses on that list, then you should have nothing but "Old Gods" and "Titans" on that list (Sargy still being a Titan)
I've always thought that the Old Gods are the "purest" evil. I have my own personal theory about them and Sargeras. I know there isn't much to go on, and it also contradicts what Blizzard has said in the past, but I think it would be cool.
The Old Gods are said to span across the universe, as said by one of their minions in the Arcatraz. He might be using some hyperbole, but there has to be some truth to it. If the Old Gods do, it would make sense that the Titans and the Old Gods would be at each others throats, seeing as they hold two opposing viewpoints Chaos (Old Gods) vs Order (Titans). It was said that the Titans came to Azeroth, then the Old Gods came, then the Titans came back to stop them. Perhaps this war between Chaos and Order takes places across the entire universe, with different planets being the stage for the conflict.
Sargeras was the Champion of the Titans. The defender, the purest of them all, unable to commit evil. Yet he changed. Why? The official story (i think) is that the Nathrezim corrupted him, but that just sees stupid. The Nathrezim are nothing, and all we have seem from them is a few plots that have all eventually failed. What if the Old Gods attempted to corrupt Sargeras? Note, I use the word "attempt", as they failed. Sargeras was too pure, too devoted to fall for their corruption. However, he was changed by their attempts. Perhaps he realized that the Old Gods were a much bigger threat then the Titans first realized, and came up with a solution.
We know that the Titans may be afraid of the Old Gods. They were willing to destroy or "reset" Azeroth if the Old Gods escaped, as seen by Alagon. Perhaps Sargeras, realizing how truly dangerous the Old Gods are, decided that the entire universe needed to be reset. Nothing was safe from their corruption, and his solution was to start from scratch, and get rid of them once and for all. He brought this idea to the Pantheon, and they thought it was too much. Sargeras, deciding that the Pantheon have failed their duty, set out to do what must be done.
So he built an army, and now goes across the universe, destroying everything in his path, to finally cleanse the universe of the Old God's corruption.
It goes against some of official lore, but honestly, I prefer it to what is current. Sargeras being corrupted by a weak race. Him being the "noblest of them all" (it even says this on WoWpedia), yet somehow being corrupted, and deciding that order is wrong and that "chaos and depravity were the only absolutes within the dark, lonely universe" (again, from Wowpedia). If these are true, why doesn't he team up with the Old Gods? It just doesn't make sense.
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All I could find was: "Doomguard says: ...before Sargeras freed us, we were the Titan's hounds. Forever enslaved to police the use of arcane magics."
It says nothing about the Titans creating them.
Like the clarification on a few things, but I need to disagree with Sargeras still getting credit for most of the Scourge's work. By Wrath the Scourge is pretty much its own entity, actively fighting just about everyone in existence (Burning Legion through Scarlet Onslaught, Old Gods, Horde/Alliance).
I think you're giving Deathwing and the Sha too little credit. Deathwing was nobody's slave, and the Sha are, at best, unruly children of a slain Old God rather than the obedient servants of a living one. They might have been given power, but not necessarily direction. If you accept that, Sargeras picks up the #1 spot, and Deathwing gets a high spot on the list himself.
I also think you're giving the Titans "mastermind" credit they don't deserve. Archavon and the other Watchers were minding their own business when we busted in and killed them. Malygos went batty. Neither of those were the Titans "masterminding" anything. Algalon, different story.
Finally, I don't think you can give the Horde credit for "masterminding" Garrosh's power grab that leads to the Siege of Orgrimmar. Anyone playing the Horde side 5.1 knows by now that almost all of the Horde leadership wants his tiny skull out of there, with three leaders and one neutral (Baine, Vol'jin, Lor'themar and Thrall) on record as wanting him gone. Sylvanas is oddly quiet on the subject, and Gallywix is, as usual, nowhere to be found. So remember, we're going to throw him out, too. Those that stay are "Garrosh's Horde", and he's the leader of them, not the other way around, and it definitely doesn't apply to the faction as a whole.
Malygos took his directive from the Titans to the extreme. He thought he was obeying his orders.