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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNuYVaj6mQ4
    So basically the helicopter landed and harrassed her for no reason. She wasn't breaking any law so she wasn't required to provide the cop with any ID nor give her name he still demanded it anyway. Definitely shouldn't have been searched but she was. I guess we should just get used to being walked all over by these people.
    Threads like this make me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

    Ever since the attacks of 9/11 (2001) the Feds and Police have been telling EVERYONE to keep an eye out for anything that looks suspicious. A woman, in the desert, filming police helicopters might seem just a tad suspicious. I know it would strike me as odd.

    And your above comment (which I quoted) is neglecting a few points.

    1. Filming famous buildings also isn't illegal. It isn't even odd behavior if you're a tourist. It is, however, behavior that is watched for. By contrast a lone woman, in the desert, filming police copters IS rather odd.
    2. No she probably didn't have to comply with a search or provide ID. At that point the Officer is fully within his rights to arrest her and "take her in" until the situation is sorted.
    3. You know well that if she had been up to something illegal, or was a terrorist, and that cop didn't stop, you and everyone else would be all over him.

    Suck it up. He didn't strip her and she was, in my opinion, being suspicious.

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    The Cop said he was investigating something the rest is fairly normal also he didn't search her he looked in her purse/bag/ whatever cause she had a previous weapons related offense as she says it was a long time ago.
    Last edited by vindicatorx; 2013-02-10 at 02:32 AM.

  3. #43
    So people keep saying this is ok because they're hunting for a murderer? Cuz that's great and all but the murderer is MALE and they know what he looks like. Unless they think he got an overnight sex change, I don't think that's a valid excuse for an unlawful search of an individual who has the right to be where she is, whether to pick up rocks or film home movies or whatever else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Actually it is, quite literally, not their job to protect you. Not in the eyes of the law, anyway.
    It is their job over here. Maybe it is different in the states...

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Jakken View Post
    Cops are taught to treat everyone they meet with a degree of suspicion.
    Properly trained peace officers are trained to recognize clear and present danger, not play make-believe.

    Now there's a lot of grey area here that is being jumped on. Numerous jurisdictions all over the place treat a stopped citizen as 'seized' and thus a peace officer isn't held to account for even a 'reasonable suspicion' at all when it comes to doing background checks. Courts, again in some places, hold that a citizen has no reasonable expectation of privacy in the public records maintained in National Criminal Information Center (where background checks are called in to). On the other hand, the citizenry have a rightly held expectation that such stops and checks would not occur without reasonable suspicion and the citizenry should not expect them to become routine. Nevermind the seemingly now forgotten platitude of 'innocent unless proven guilty', the inverse of which seems to be the status-quo; suspicion of guilt until deemed otherwise by the suspectors. This is just the world we live in now, the history of which is there for anyone interested in knowing how things came to be this way.

    In the end this stop didn't lead to anything other than the interference with this woman's day, which turned up nothing. The decision to check the NCIC database was within the scope of the stop and did not unreasonably prolong the stop. If it had turned up something, say in the background check about warrants or something, then the manner in which the search and stop were conducted might become an important topic of discussion. Did she feel violated? Certainly, as would any citizen, but that's just not covered by any rules. Maybe it should be, but that's a matter for the voters.

    Was she guilty of anything (remember guilty until proven innocent)? We'll never know, because the woman, while ruffled, didn't do anything irrational to further provoke the already aggressive officer. Yes, the officer was boorish, and whatever case they happen to be on doesn't void all expectations that they behave themselves or justify 'unconstitutional' behavior (if any). All too unfortunately, a citizen who is educated about their rights and asserts them is viewed as a hostile person by some officers, who know they can play plenty of tricks to give someone who frustrates them a headache while never actually violating any rules of police conduct. I, for one, never condone this all too common antagonistic treatment and those that do give a bad name to everyone who wears a badge.

    So was there any cut and dried harassment or violation here? The only thread you could hold onto was the search, and even then, it would be a civil matter because she wasn't arrested. That's just how the rules are now. Is is possible for the law to be unethical or immoral? Absolutely, but it falls to the citizenry to amend rules and proscribe treatment they don't like. Crying about things like this does nothing; civilize the system through reform.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by N-7 View Post
    It is their job over here. Maybe it is different in the states...
    Fuck if I know.

    I always thought it was to Protect and Serve as well...

    I guess their job is to enforce the laws... whether or not that results in protecting people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-7 View Post
    Ever heard of geologists? We are like rock nerds, maybe she was one of us.
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Twotonsteak View Post
    Threads like this make me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

    Ever since the attacks of 9/11 (2001) the Feds and Police have been telling EVERYONE to keep an eye out for anything that looks suspicious. A woman, in the desert, filming police helicopters might seem just a tad suspicious. I know it would strike me as odd.

    And your above comment (which I quoted) is neglecting a few points.

    1. Filming famous buildings also isn't illegal. It isn't even odd behavior if you're a tourist. It is, however, behavior that is watched for. By contrast a lone woman, in the desert, filming police copters IS rather odd.
    2. No she probably didn't have to comply with a search or provide ID. At that point the Officer is fully within his rights to arrest her and "take her in" until the situation is sorted.
    3. You know well that if she had been up to something illegal, or was a terrorist, and that cop didn't stop, you and everyone else would be all over him.

    Suck it up. He didn't strip her and she was, in my opinion, being suspicious.
    Thankfully, your opinion is not law, and contrary to popular belief, neither is a cop's. Police officers are required to follow certain guidelines regarding what constitutes suspicious behavior. Was the woman being there odd? Sure. But odd is not suspicious in the legal sense. It didn't appear like she was exhibiting any signs of being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, she did not present any obvious threat, and she was filming, which is actually one of the more sensible things a person might do in a desert, along with taking pictures, hiking, and yes, even rock collecting. While it was weird for her to be there, it did not meet the specific parameters to conduct a search of her person, and she probably has grounds to sue if she so chooses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    I copied it from you tube not alex jones. In fact the alex jones show also copied it from you tube. That is how his show heard of this incident.
    The Alex Jones article links an earlier version of the video, which includes a different title and caption text. The version you linked in this thread is a copy with the article text lifted from the Alex Jones site. So even if you saw this version of the video first, and the person didn't cite a source for the text... you're still copying Alex Jones. Considering you did the same thing with your last thread, I think we're seeing a pattern here. And that's unfortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    So people keep saying this is ok because they're hunting for a murderer? Cuz that's great and all but the murderer is MALE and they know what he looks like. Unless they think he got an overnight sex change, I don't think that's a valid excuse for an unlawful search of an individual who has the right to be where she is, whether to pick up rocks or film home movies or whatever else.
    she is out in the middle of nowhere in an area where they happen to be looking for a suspected murder you have never heard of an accomplice? She also had a previous weapons charge but sure he is just picking on her.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by N-7 View Post
    It is their job over here. Maybe it is different in the states...
    Being completely academic here, the only true function the police are meant to serve in any society, what the service was begun for, the limit of all the initial powers was to apprehend known criminals, detain criminals until sentencing and escort already apprehended criminals to and from sentencing. That was the ideal when the idea began.

    Of course the functional powers of law enforcement have been vastly expanded over the course of centuries, into an almost militarized security apparatus in most places. The history on this is known and worth reading.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Twotonsteak View Post
    2. No she probably didn't have to comply with a search or provide ID. At that point the Officer is fully within his rights to arrest her and "take her in" until the situation is sorted.
    Damn...sounds like someone missed out on a free helicopter ride!

    Quote Originally Posted by vindicatorx View Post
    she is out in the middle of nowhere in an area where they happen to be looking for a suspected murder you have never heard of an accomplice? She also had a previous weapons charge but sure he is just picking on her.
    An accomplice wouldn't draw attention to herself by training a camera on a police helicopter for 3 mins...what possible purpose does that serve? I'm pretty sure if you're running from the cops you're not going to sit in one place filming them so conspicuously.
    Last edited by Lemons; 2013-02-10 at 02:41 AM.

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    Yes since she was breaking no laws.
    When filming anything in a public space becomes illegal let me know.
    Many criminals are caught when they AREN'T breaking the laws. In fact maybe if more people were observant when the 9/11 hijakers weren't breaking the law, the attacks wouldn't have happened?

    Actually I bet you're one of those people who would rather wait until after the attack, or murder, and then complain about the police not doing their jobs and stopping the event first. Sort of a damned if they do, damned if they don't with you.
    Last edited by Twotonsteak; 2013-02-10 at 02:42 AM.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    So people keep saying this is ok because they're hunting for a murderer? Cuz that's great and all but the murderer is MALE and they know what he looks like. Unless they think he got an overnight sex change, I don't think that's a valid excuse for an unlawful search of an individual who has the right to be where she is, whether to pick up rocks or film home movies or whatever else.
    Once again this happened before that guy killed people.

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    It's just another example of freedom leaving, and the sheep nodding it's acceptance.
    remember, they now spell justice 'just us'.
    Nothing to see here...except a cop wasting taxpayers money to perform an illegal search.
    And no, nothing suspicious about rock collecting. If there is then you might have to investigate companies who make various geology tools and equipment, museums, geologists, gravel pit workers, miners, as well as every child on earth really.
    You guys really need to pull your head out of your arses if you really think it's justifiable to do an illegal search on someone for collecting rocks.
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemons View Post
    Damn...sound like someone missed out on a free helicopter ride!
    Nah. They would of called out a car for her.

    Seriously though. If a woman wandering the desert alone, filming cop helicopters, doesn't seem odd and out of place, I don't know what does.

    You want to get me riled? Try targeting a legitimate concern like our tanking economy and a President who has been in power for four years, had total control for two, and still blames everything on someone who left office four years ago.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Willy View Post
    There was a police officer who worked at my highschool. Everybody liked him because he was a respectable and honest man who was friendly when he could be, and strict when had to be. The problem is that we only focus on the bad, so those who are good don't get as much attention.
    Except nobody did anything wrong in this video. I got held up at the train station for a drugs control (I'm 21)...you don't see me making a video of a cop just asking me questions while doing his search on me just to title it "Cop harrasses innocent guy at train station".

    What the fuck do you people expect from the police if they can't investigate when they think someone is suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarac View Post
    Except nobody did anything wrong in this video. I got held up at the train station for a drugs control (I'm 21)...you don't see me making a video of a cop just asking me questions while doing his search on me just to title it "Cop harrasses innocent guy at train station".

    What the fuck do you people expect from the police if they can't investigate when they think someone is suspicious.
    Are they allowed to conduct searches just because somebody "looks suspicious?"

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    Got to love these "Cops suck" thread. There could have been a ongoing investigation and saying "Just exploring, picking up rocks" Isn't a good excuse...
    Last edited by Giants41; 2013-02-10 at 03:02 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Jakken View Post
    But I get it, you're one of those "Cops are bad hurr" people, so I'll let you be.
    I'm always amazed how people don't realize how these sorts of comments can be quickly turned right back at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarac View Post
    Except nobody did anything wrong in this video. I got held up at the train station for a drugs control (I'm 21)...you don't see me making a video of a cop just asking me questions while doing his search on me just to title it "Cop harrasses innocent guy at train station".

    What the fuck do you people expect from the police if they can't investigate when they think someone is suspicious.
    I don't understand why you think it's fine for a cop to hold you up when you hadn't actually done anything. If I'm going about my business, bothering absolutely no one, I shouldn't be accosted on the basis that some people carry drugs sometimes.

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