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  1. #61
    oh gee how do you counter a stun when your trinket is on cooldown?
    oh gee how do you counter ams as a mage?
    this thread is idiotic

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    Ring of Peace is going to destroy Ret paladins. Silence already locks us out of 90% of our abilities, a disarm ontop of it will make us useless.
    cause your going to be casting while a person has ring of peace on? instead of instants?

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Choptimus View Post
    I still agree with that.

    Edit: The reason? Because all I want is a balanced game, if Blizzard listened to the absolute best PvPers in the game (as they are starting to now) then the game would be much more fun and competetive. I'm not saying I'm the best and I know best, I'm saying I want the best to be the ones feeding blizzard input about how to balance the game, not random 1500 terrible players complaining about things that are totally fine.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-12 at 02:49 AM ----------

    This may shock you, but the game needs to be balanced at all levels of play, not just the highest skill cap. This might shock you even more --- the vast majority of players do not care how balanced the game is for glads --- only for them when they do their bgs or 10 games of 3v3 when they can get their buddies online together.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by artem123 View Post
    cause your going to be casting while a person has ring of peace on? instead of instants?
    RoP isn't an interrupt. RoP silences on any harmful spell cast (instant or otherwise).

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Funkthepunk View Post
    That's just stupid. All that you mentioned can be countered by a trinket or trinket/dispel
    Can't dispel Cyclone. Dispel has an 8 second CD, so you can't dispel PS into Tendrils. Can't dispel Fear into Mesmerize. Want a counter to Ring of Peace? Move out of the 8 yards. BOOM! Done. Same as the counter to Solarbeam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solvexx View Post
    Lay on hands isn't usable in arena.
    Arena is only 1/4 of potential PvP situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Can't dispel Cyclone. Dispel has an 8 second CD, so you can't dispel PS into Tendrils. Can't dispel Fear into Mesmerize. Want a counter to Ring of Peace? Move out of the 8 yards. BOOM! Done. Same as the counter to Solarbeam.
    Yeah Solarbeam is so easy to get out of I dont ever see it in Rated play, No wait, every single fucking RBG team I fight now has a moonkin solely for SolarBeam, to drop it on top of the vortex, which is dropped on the group the token DK pulls in Gorefiends Grasp. Every fucking group doing that same bullshit, and they are going to do it with RoP as well. These AOE spells need to go. They are seriously fucking up RBG balance and are cheesy as fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lirina View Post
    I see it being a bit problem for flag capping. Typically you have a warrior / DK sit arround the flag durring a team fight and thunderclap / HB to keep people from ninja capping. If They are disarmed and silenced they will have a much tougher time stoping people from capturing. (they can still "mele" attack).
    Mmh actually in this situation warrior and DK are not in trouble at all. When the monk or RoPed guy come, warrior stay near the flag to counter capping leaving-jumping/charging/fearing if needed. While DK make distance to spam HB, rop is only 8yard congrats you avoided loosing the point (or you are 1VS more than just the monk)

    RoP is clearly NOT game breaking in a flag capping situation. It will help in a 1v1 situation (omg, that's why garbage monks are buffed) but it won't make you roflstomp from flag to flag like a godly warrior (pun intended).
    Last edited by Ealyssa; 2013-02-12 at 05:16 AM.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfdragon View Post
    1) Dodge/Parry
    "Dodge and Parry" is about as useful as "Don't be standing near the target when RoP is activated."
    2) Intervene, Druid charge on friendly target, Shadowstep, Grounding, and any other form of eating traps(even with pets)
    None of this works when you're already in the trap, which is what I was asking to be countered. Again, you can "counter" RoP the same way by not being near the friendly target.
    3) Fakecast, Grounding, All immune to interrupt spells(Spiritwalkers grace with pvp 4piece, aura mastery inner focus)
    Counterspell is blanket. 1 class has Grounding. Can't activate Silence immunities while silenced.
    4) Tremor Berserker's rage lichborne AMS Cloak of shadows and freedom for tendrils
    1 Class has Tremor, 1 Class has Berserker Rage, 1 Class has Lichborne, 1 Class has AMs, 1 Class has Cloak, 1 class has Freedom.
    So, if we're going to use your retarded logic, the best way to counter RoP is to be a druid or monk. PROBLEM SOLVED.
    5) same as above
    Same as above.
    6) same as 1)
    Same as 1.
    7) not available in arena but Necrotic strike and stuns
    Arena is 1/4 of PvP, but Necrotic removes 30k and LoH heals for 350+ Stuns don't prevent LoH's healing.
    8) AMS Cloak of shadows and any gapcloser/interrupt works on 1 level arenas+ LoS obviously.
    Thanks bro. Forgot to use AMS on my druid, and can't forget about cloak on my monk. You're so insightful.
    Happy? Now look at how many counters RoP has, only deathgrip so far, and that requires significant outplaying of said monk. LEARN THE GAME.
    Alrighty, now I'll admit there is no "blanket" counter to RoP, but since you like using spells only one class has, I guess I will too.

    1) Ring of Peace
    Counters:
    Shockwave -> walk away.
    Blind -> walk away.
    Charge away from the monk.
    Intervene away from the monk.
    Heroic Leap away from the monk.
    Deathgrip the monk.
    Disengage root.
    I could list more.

    So, how many you ask? At least 7. Learn the game.

    Roll, Flying Serpent Kick, Paralysis.

    There's another 3, so 10 total.

    Polymorph, Fear. Another 2, up to 12.
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Terahertz View Post
    Just saying, but I HATE people like you who say that if you're not 2.2k your opinions dont matter. Everybody can discuss competitive PvP by watching a shitton of vids/livestreams or generally researches classes.
    I partially agree. Sadly more often than enough though people are mistaken their 2on2 ~900 rating, their duels in front of org or their random bgs wearing below ilvl 400 quest greens in 90bgs for worthwhile experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    This may shock you, but the game needs to be balanced at all levels of play, not just the highest skill cap. This might shock you even more --- the vast majority of players do not care how balanced the game is for glads --- only for them when they do their bgs or 10 games of 3v3 when they can get their buddies online together.
    To a certain degree - yes. Problem is that you can't really balance for fields of players that lose 50% of their games because they are not able to keyboard turn fast enough to hit their opponents.
    Last edited by cFortyfive; 2013-02-12 at 05:23 AM.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Coraulten View Post
    Uh.... don't stand in it?
    Blizzard just so happened to give the ability to a class that rivals druids in mobility.
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  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    oh gee how do you counter a stun when your trinket is on cooldown?
    Wow, dude. Seriously? Do you even PVP? Blink, Icebound Fortitude, Hand of Protection (if physical), magic dispel (if magical and a healer can do it), glyphed Shamanistic Rage (if magical), wait it out because there isn't a single 8 second stun in the game? There's probably other ways too.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    oh gee how do you counter ams as a mage?
    Wait it out because it lasts 5 seconds and does absolutely nothing to the mage.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    this thread is idiotic
    Oh sweet irony. You're going to have to try harder if you want to make this thread look idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Can't dispel Cyclone. Dispel has an 8 second CD, so you can't dispel PS into Tendrils. Can't dispel Fear into Mesmerize. Want a counter to Ring of Peace? Move out of the 8 yards. BOOM! Done. Same as the counter to Solarbeam.
    You can interrupt Cyclone. And if you're talking about Feral, that IS getting nerfed for being too good. Solar Beam is too good for RBGs in combination with other abilities, everyone knows this. Solar Beam is actually not even as good as Ring of Peace either because Solar Beam is not mobile. Ring of Peace is mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Arena is only 1/4 of potential PvP situations.
    I guess someone didn't give you the memo, but... *whispers* you can't use Lay on Hands in RBGs anymore either. Sorry about that.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 11:35 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Counterspell is blanket. 1 class has Grounding. Can't activate Silence immunities while silenced.
    And everyone hates Counterspell if they're not a mage. What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Alrighty, now I'll admit there is no "blanket" counter to RoP, but since you like using spells only one class has, I guess I will too.

    1) Ring of Peace
    Counters:
    Shockwave -> walk away.
    ..
    Charge away from the monk.
    Intervene away from the monk.
    Heroic Leap away from the monk.
    Like I said, Warriors are the outlier here. Did I not point that out earlier? I didn't go into huge detail, but I did mention Warriors already, yes I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Blind -> walk away.
    Wouldn't you have to waste Blind AND Redirect? Or say the Rogue starts Shadow Dancing or whatever and they pop it. The rogue can't do anything at that point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Deathgrip the monk.
    Towards the DK that happens to not be on the same target you are trying to get a kill? Not likely. You don't use Ring of Peace for a situation like that. Two melee would almost never be on different targets because one melee on a target by himself isn't a threat for a healer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Disengage root.
    Hunters are not melee. o.O

  12. #72
    Deathgrip the monk.
    Are you serious? Why on earth would any DK want to pull the monk with RoP into range so he could silence and disarm himself?

    Ring of Peace is a total lock down for a DK, the Disarm will lockout our strikes and the silence everything else.

    The only hope for a DK is to Chains root or if unholy have the pet Stun the monk. But these will only work if the DK is already outside the Ring to begin with.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Terahertz View Post
    Just saying, but I HATE people like you who say that if you're not 2.2k your opinions dont matter. Everybody can discuss competitive PvP by watching a shitton of vids/livestreams or generally researches classes.

    Besides, 2.2k I reckon isn't even that high for "competetive" PvP. If you wan't to discuss REAL "competetive" PvP (according to you) you'll have to be at glad range.

    Also, monks will still be having the same problems they're having now. Besides RoP, they'll still be quite squishy with ToK still being dispellable and blockable/bubbleable(lol o.o). The only thing that's going to be changing is that they're going to be doing more pressure and more burst, while having slightly better survivability.
    infact your oppinion will never matter till you're 2.4, that works for you?
    I don't want glad range people discussing this because duelists have a better perception of the game. Because I've seen ferals actually think cycloning 2 targets(on your own) makes them both sit the full duration cyclones thinking they're beasts and that nobody is the wiser. 8/45 is a tiny bit more than 1/6 uptime, so you're basically disarmed 1/6 of the fight vs. a monk if you don't have a weapon chain.
    afflocks that cry about balance in pvp make me sad.

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    I know how to counter RoP!!!!

    roll a monk!! disarms dont work on monks since they dont require weapons for their attacks!!

    wow thats a design flaw and a half, a talent that doesnt effect an ENTIRE CLASS (mistweavers can resort to fistweaving for the duration lawl)
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    I'm still waiting on someone to tell me where all these people that suddenly care about Warrior balance were during Cataclysm when they were blow up dolls with plate armor on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broloth View Post
    Can't dispel Cyclone. Dispel has an 8 second CD, so you can't dispel PS into Tendrils. Can't dispel Fear into Mesmerize. Want a counter to Ring of Peace? Move out of the 8 yards. BOOM! Done. Same as the counter to Solarbeam.
    I don't know if I should classify you as stupid or clueless. My whole point was that if you want to prevent an opponent from shutting down your swifty burst macro you simply save your trinket, ask your team mates for help, or both. Against a monk, the monk will simply be able to use their trinket (since you would of course want to CC your opponent before using any burst macro, this is common 1500 rating knowledge), and cast RoP on themself or any team mate. Now the person effectively stopped your burst macro for 8 seconds, and you can't counter it other than switching target (which is hardly always possible (and never possible 1v1), and will yield far from the same reward.

    The only way this would be fixed, is if the pvp trinket also made you immune to RoP and immune to the effects of RoP for the rest of the duration of the spell.

    Yes, solar beam + ursol's vortex are just as retarded mechanics as RoP is for melee. It should obviously be fixed as well (with trinket somehow countering it).

    I'm not really gonna argue with you further. Your first showed that you obviously lack the knowledge to discuss this on any relevant level. Typhoon + cyclone or frost trap uncounterable..? lol...
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  16. #76
    you don't counter it, just ride it...ride it good.

    wow thats a design flaw and a half, a talent that doesnt effect an ENTIRE CLASS (mistweavers can resort to fistweaving for the duration lawl)
    serious?

    we still depend on them for damage and stats just because we use our fists does not mean disarming doesn't have the same effect - it does the ANIMATION doesn't use them but we do behind the scenes.

    Fistweaving? gg you'll go OOM, cant say anything for 5.2 as i havnt tested MW's there yet but fistweaving is very mana intensive, and you get very low reward.
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    Reroll a monk and continue to punch him through disarm.

  18. #78
    Unable to see the bigger picture Reith,you deal your justice in complete ignorance and you're the one that ends up looking like a noob,one that struggles.
    Every class/spec has a moment where they deal with strong cc's from the enemy,counterable,not counterable,depends on your spec and your teammates.
    That's the game,you either deal with it or you go whine about it on the forums.

  19. #79
    ZR, you're missing something...major.

    Monks are exceptionally strong in EVERY regard right now. Their burst damage, while nearly impossible to setup, is far and away the strongest in the game (40% damage increase cd like what the hell), they come with an extra baseline trinket on top of passives that help them counter their own counters (increased dodge chances during disarm) as well as flat out immunities (touch of karma) as well as the highest mobility in the game as well as sustained damage that makes frost dks look weak as well as cc that makes rogues jealous as well as anti-cc that makes blink look bad.

    Their only (slightest) weakness is in defense...if you're comparing them to locks who have the best defensives in the game since 5.0. Otherwise they're ahead of most if not all other classes defensively too.

    As of right now on 5.2, they are rivaling the status of 3.0 dks in how absurdly overpowered they are. RoP is just the cherry on top of it all.
    Last edited by Flaks; 2013-02-12 at 05:53 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Do I really have to explain why it's not the same at all? Seriously, how dumb are you? I'm not trying to be insulting but it should be obvious:

    -only able to use it on yourself
    -does not have an AOE disarm effect for the entire duration that is not affected by Weapon Chain
    -does not silence anyone
    -does not have an 8 yard radius
    -does not affect your opponents at all
    -lasts 5 seconds, not 8
    I wasn't talking about the abilities themselves but the aspect of peeling.
    You seem to avoid any discussing about peeling/ccing the RoP'ed player.

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