I saw your ideas. They stink of elitism and counter productivity. Im not a druggie, but I am very, very tired of this imaginary war on drugs. You want people drug tested for gov't aid? Fine, make a way to do it without bleeding fed, state, and local funds. And what would qualify as "necessities" to you? People like you are focused on the negatives, the ones cheating the system, while dismissing the people who dont abuse the system and deserve some help.
If we could see the future, we'd have the answers. But we dont. Our society isnt special. Our country isnt special. Ranting and raving, naming and shaming, and throwing personal agendas into your "ideas" wont help. It never has.
Fact A) Budget in the red = spending problem
Fact B) What's left as far as options for paying off debt is cutting the budget.
You can't say those are wrong. It's reality.
Pelosi is left. Where's that a secret? She's a member of the democrats. Her opinion happens to be in a disagreement with your opinion.
For all it's worth here, you have a right to your opinion. But that's about all there is to it. It's an opinion, and not a fact.
And where a person stands within it's wing has zero relation to where yours it.
She could be as well center democrat and you are rather farther right.... Which, with all due respect, is what I suspect here.
A center Republican is someone like, Chris Christie....... Center.... The place where people from both sides of the aisle blurring the line..
Those are usually the most productive and most efficient politicians we have in Congress. They don't have a problem with ignoring partisanship.
Pelosi isn't very far away from that block. Yet I still trust her judgement a lot more than yours. You try to deliver "facts" which aren't facts to begin with.
And why would you put someone on ignore, just because they disagree with you?
Wouldn't you misuse the forums for your own likes in that case? Eliminating, censoring everyone and everything you don't agree with?
What's the point of creating a thread then? You opening threads to only invite everyone who shares your ideas?
Not only is that pretty boring, but also do we not need such treads... in that case, they should be shut down again.
I don't always agree with Endus, and have told him that on other occasion too.. But I would never ignore him. That would be irrational on so many levels. Often enough he has great contributions, which I can agree on with ease. That's the beauty of democracy and free speech. You fail these concepts?
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As much as I want to contribute to the discussion, reading your posts just makes me cringe cutter. You have to be the epitome of the self-centered guy. Why create a thread like this when you refuse to debate with anyone who disagrees with you (even those who bring up facts)? Are you just trying to fill up your ignore list?
Before you make a post oh-so-nicely alerting me that I'm on your ignore list - I already expect that coming. I don't think I ever want to converse with you, ever - so feel free to do so.
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Double taxes on the wealthy, that's $420 billion. Double taxes on corporations, that's another $242 billion. So $660 billion in additional revenue.
(numbers taken from here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget)
Nobody's arguing that increasing revenue is all that's necessary. Even the Democrats are talking about spending cuts. The issue is, the Republicans are demanding that revenue increases be off the table. That's unconscionable. The ONLY reason to support that is because you're working for those who have money to take. They're serving the interests of the 1% at the expense of the USA itself, and the remaining 99% of Americans. Wealth inequality is higher than it's been since the Great Depression. That's not a good thing.
I agree that there is a spending problem, but that's still an opinion, not a fact. That was the point. And the idea that the only possible solution to said problem is spending cuts? No, that's a flat-out lie.
Told you so. Stop playing games and please comment on the topic.. You guys can stop trying to bait me into a ban, it's not my first time in this rodeo. I know how you "people" work. Just keep repeating that I'm baseless and attacking people, even though it's nowhere to be found and soon enough the perception will stick and sheeple will follow you. Make a "report" on some whatever post you want and I'll get infracted for it because it's in the bag. It's happened before and I'm making a huge ignore list so it doesn't happen again. I'm just not going to respond to the trolls that are incapable of having a real debate, or, in this thread's case, come together on a simple common fact simply because I'm the conservative enemy.
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That will never happen in America. A progressive tax is already borderline unconstitutional here.Double taxes on the wealthy, that's $420 billion. Double taxes on corporations
Yes, we realize that you are an avid watcher of Fox News and believe every lie they feed you, but anyone that believes cutting the budget is the only way to balance the budget is so short sighted I could call them legally blind. It's a thinly veiled piece of propaganda to make the uninformed believe that raising taxes and cutting tax loopholes for the wealthy will do nothing.
No, "fact" B is false. Increasing revenue is clearly still an option. And Obama hasn't raised taxes. There was a temporary tax reduction that was set to expire, restoring a tax to its normal rate, and that happened. That's not a tax increase, or a change to increase revenue, that was a predetermined expiry of a temporary reduction. Tax increases are obviously still on the table. Republicans don't WANT tax increases, but that's by no means the same thing.Fact B) What's left as far as options for paying off debt is cutting the budget.
You can't say those are wrong. It's reality.
"I'm going to ignore everyone who doesn't agree with me," is a fast way to put everyone on ignore. I think he'll be talking to himself soon enough.
OP, I'm pretty certain there are plenty of right wing forums elsewhere on the internet where you can find a plethora of avid Fox News watchers that will agree with you, and you can preach to the choir all day and hear them say "amen".
This wasn't a tax hike. It was the expiry of a tax break. You're phrasing things in a deliberately misleading manner, and I'd thank you to not imply that I must be ignorant because I'm Canadian.
Not even a little. The Sixteenth Amendment and SCOTUS have been pretty excruciatingly clear on the matter.That will never happen in America. A progressive tax is already borderline unconstitutional here.