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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    GREAT you just summed up my point


    So these are not reported, we dont know if these exist or are actual rape but we're gonna assume it's rape anyway. That's why we cant take that seriously. The "report rate" was always used with caution because of that reason, it's not the case anymore since feminists nutjobs.

    Also, counting these 1000 reported rape as 1000 rapists, how far can you go
    Again, you failed at reading comprehension and dismissed the rest of the sources because you didn't like them. You can go back and look at the margin of error admitted in the source itself. That still does not make the number of falsely reported rapes a "lot lot lot lot" higher than it actually is.

  2. #502
    Quote Originally Posted by darenyon View Post
    "violence" can be a lot of things. but 90% of rape victims are female.
    http://www.rainn.org/get-information...ssault-victims

    and yes i have had to be afraid of someone i know and trusted in that way. that doesnt mean im going to give someone i dont know at all my full trust.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...view-male-rape
    While you would be correct in that 90% of rape victims who report the crime is female, there is quite a large taboo on being raped as a male. If only 10% of male rape victims would actually report the crime, then that isn't an a surprising number.
    More-over, being raped, as a male, by a female is even more taboo, so reports on that kind of issue are even smaller in comparison. The fact is: We don't know the ratio. It's an educated guess that women are more likely to be rape victims, and I personally think it's true that more women are the victim of rape than men (mainly because our cultures make it possible, really), but it cannot be given as a hard number. Just like we cannot take as fact that 'most' rapists are male. Sure; it is probably the case (again, because our cultures make it possible, as I described on page 22, I believe), but we cannot take it as a hard fact.

    As for being the victim of violence: To be the victim of violence is to not participate in. To be assaulted by overwhelming force, and therefore being overpowered. To have your life and dignity in the hands of aggressive attackers. Physical violent assault is exactly the same as rape, or rather: Rape is a kind of violent assault. It strips you of freedom and dignity, and endangers your life.
    I've been subject to both. They are equal in raw fear and emotional damage. They serve only to diminish you as a person, to make you small, of no consequence, to damage you in such a way that the assailant can feel superior.

  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    The TOTAL false accusation of rape is 8% (and that's of REPORTED cases). But you failed to look that statistic up on your own and sit there and spout a lot of vague speculation about it being "a lot lot lot lot bigger". 2% of false rape accusations never included intercourse. 6% included intercourse that were proven to be consensual because there was no sign of struggle, no injury to the victim, or the victim and the rapist had a previous sexual relationship.

    You can't make wild accusations without a source or on your own hunch. If you're going to make the wild baseless claim that a large amount of women falsely report rape, you're going to have to back yourself up with sources, not your opinion.
    8% is a lot bigger than 2%. So in essence I'm right.

    I'm still lacking the source for that graph including every men accused of rape being labelled as rapist remember ?

    You cant ask me for source endlessly when you never bothered to bring me one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post

    So basically your argument is "Nuh UH it NEVER Happens"


    But it does, people get jailed for false rape claims.
    And where is your evidence that this happens so consistently that it is the legal norm?

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    I don't in general like to go anywhere alone, that's not because I think the worlds out to get me or that men are rapists, nor do I ever do my best to avoid them (given theres been some creepy moments where ones picked up pace to seemingly stay near me or kept giving me looks that made me uncomfortable, suspicious behavior does give you the right to be on edge.) There's always going to be stereotypes and those who are willing to follow along with it, plus i'm sure it doesn't help that it's more so in the media the whole debate about what makes rape Rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    So basically your argument is "Nuh UH it NEVER Happens"


    But it does, people get jailed for false rape claims.
    I'm sure people are jailed for things they didn't do; that's no unique to rape though. When someone asks a remarkably stupid question ("what's to stop it???"), the answer is evidence. Yes, the judicial system can fail, but it doesn't make anyone suggest that theft is mostly a made up crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Because changing your mind half way through sex makes it rape.
    Yeah, that's pretty fucking obvious. If someone's saying, "no, stop", and you keep going, you're raping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    8% is a lot bigger than 2%. So in essence I'm right.

    I'm still lacking the source for that graph including every men accused of rape being labelled as rapist remember ?

    You cant ask me for source endlessly when you never bothered to bring me one.
    So basically, you ignore him until he proves himself right, and then say YOUR right instead?

    Typical Social Justice crusader.
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    It's called heat son.

    My fiance packs a Caracal C in her inside-the-waste-band holster and she knows how to use it, we train with it regularly. She isn't afraid of any men.

    She's accurate as shit too, she'd fuck your shit up quick if you attacked her. (she's damn near better at concealed draw than I am)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
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    Yeah, that's pretty fucking obvious. If someone's saying, "no, stop", and you keep going, you're raping them.
    And if you stop, you can still get reported for rape. You have no idea how "lack of consent" being eligable to JAIL people is a hilariously vague concept. It pretty much means the act of rape is entirely objective then.

    A woman might "Not be too much into it" that night, but she does it anyway. Is that rape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    So basically, you ignore him until he proves himself right, and then say YOUR right instead?

    Typical Social Justice crusader.
    What the fuck, do you even know how to read

    He bring in a graph implying 90% of rapists dont go to jail, my issue is about how do you know that these 90% are rapists ? These are just mostly "reported" and never investigated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    And where is your evidence that this happens so consistently that it is the legal norm?
    Where is your proof Rape is a Norm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    What the fuck, do you even know how to read

    He bring in a graph implying 90% of rapists dont go to jail, my issue is about how do you know that these 90% are rapists ? These are just mostly "reported" and never investigated.
    You started arguing petty numbers, excuse me if I don't confuse you for the other Social justice crusaders in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Where is your proof Rape is a Norm?
    Did I ever say that rape is the norm? I suggest you spend some time reading through the thread to verify this. At this point, though, your responses are becoming more and more childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Kisu View Post
    There's always going to be stereotypes and those who are willing to follow along with it, plus i'm sure it doesn't help that it's more so in the media the whole debate about what makes rape Rape.
    Indeed, when the Todd Akin's are out to inform people of what's "legitimate" rape, it adds an additional level of stigma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Only women?
    no, not only women. but all women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    And if you stop, you can still get reported for rape. You have no idea how "lack of consent" being eligable to JAIL people is a hilariously vague concept. It pretty much means the act of rape is entirely objective then.

    A woman might "Not be too much into it" that night, but she does it anyway. Is that rape?
    What do you see as rape then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirjotusvihe View Post
    When those critizising the graph admit that the graph over-estimates the amount of falsely accused, I don't think you should really make claim like that without backing it up somehow
    People make a graph = some how makes it true.
    It's not. It's wrong.
    Growing up I had some dumb bitch accuse me of hitting her.. You know what it took for my friends and ect to believe her?
    Nothing, they believed her on face value.

    There is something wrong with this world.
    Always woman's side, so much for equality.

    A glaring issue with that graph is it's so called "people who are not prosecuted."
    How do you know they're rapists if they're not found guilty.
    THEY ARE NOT, unless found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Did I ever say that rape is the norm? I suggest you spend some time reading through the thread to verify this. At this point, though, your responses are becoming more and more childish.
    Pretty much lowering to your Level.


    Here is the hitch.

    Rape is not a norm is it?

    Then you don't need to be afraid of it. You're more likely to be violently beaten up in the street than rape, or run over.

    People should care more about general personal safety than worrying the evil man in the tenchcoat might want some poon.
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  18. #518
    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    8% is a lot bigger than 2%. So in essence I'm right.

    I'm still lacking the source for that graph including every men accused of rape being labelled as rapist remember ?

    You cant ask me for source endlessly when you never bothered to bring me one.
    The source was provided for you. You dismissed it because you didn't like it. You continue to dismiss it because you still don't like it. You make wild claims of phantasmally large numbers of men being falsely accused of rape without actually providing the source other than your own hunch. It's the responsibility of someone making wild claims to back up their claims with a source.

    http://www.informationisbeautiful.ne...cal-fallacies/

    See: Near the bottom, "On the Attack" section, "Burden of Proof" fallacy. You're making wild claims without providing any kind of proof, and proof to the contrary is being shown to you and you're dismissing it on the grounds of not liking it.

  19. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    And if you stop, you can still get reported for rape. You have no idea how "lack of consent" being eligable to JAIL people is a hilariously vague concept. It pretty much means the act of rape is entirely objective then.

    A woman might "Not be too much into it" that night, but she does it anyway. Is that rape?
    No wonder women are scared of men when you have guys out there with views like this. Wasn't in only last week in the UK we had a lady commit suicide after she gave testimony in a sexual assault case?

  20. #520
    Quote Originally Posted by jazen View Post
    women are not afraid of men in particular but men in general....Most likely a particular man will not rape or mug a woman, but men in general have a propensity for violence and rape. It's sad, as a general rule, male upbringing reinforces the strong and agressive tendencies that lead to violence and rape.
    It's sad that you think men have a propensity to rape others. I am a male, and I am offended and disgusted that you think I have a propensity to rape others.

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