Last edited by Reg; 2013-02-12 at 12:44 AM.
The car unlock and be aware of your surroundings, sounds like you go around thinking "someone will attack me now".
"Dont go out after dark", good that you dont live where the sun is gone for 3months then (like here)!
“The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that.”
Mommy issues result in the need to dominate and/or the misogyny that are the central root; you're just explaining WHY they developed those attitudes.
Feel free to provide other issues. They basically boil down to aggressive domination and a belief that women aren't your equal. Vanyali linked some sources up above, there. Trying to turn it into cases where the woman turned him on and then shut him down plays out like an attempt to shift partial blame to the woman, by bringing up her refusal to submit as a "motivation". That's the issue, and why I've been attacking it.
Saying that you don't believe in the science that's being presented now and agreeing with information that was DISPROVEN because science isn't "finite" (i'm guessing infinite is the word you want ) seems a little backward.
The first one: After age 18, it's about 9:1, yes. Up to age 18, it's closer to 4:1. This presumably has to do with the perception of children and women as weak, thus making them better targets for rapists; once a male has reached maturity, the perception is that he is better able to defend himself. (Though of course one would then ask why grown men are more likely to be targets of all other types of violent crime.)
Anyway, the best I can do with this data is to extrapolate, based on an approximately 3:1 ratio of 18+ to under 18, that over a full lifetime, it's more like 8:1 than 9:1
For the second one, the data around how likely a woman is to be raped during her lifetime are essentially impossible to untangle for anyone interested in an honest look at the numbers. Depending on where you look, anywhere from 10% (from some government data) to 85% of rapes (from rape victim advocacy groups) are unreported. That is such a huge disparity that there is no good way to determine what's real and what's not. Anyway, the 1 in 6 extrapolates from a lot of shaky data.
Regardless, the point is the same: yes, a lot of women are raped. I get that that's your point, I just take issue with bad data in all forms.
My question to you, of course, is why you're so interested in pointing out that women are more likely to be victimized sexually, but you don't care that men are more likely to be beaten, stabbed, shot, murdered, etc. The topic is fear among women, and my point, as should be clear, is that men have more to fear than women do.
No one is denying there is something wrong with rapists. People do understand that people who rape have mental issues. The problem, is you are trying to understand why people rape in a thread discussing women having a fear of rape. Unless you believe that women, in some part, are at fault for the mental state the men is in. There is no reason to delve into the multitude of reasons why people rape, when that will not help the fear. In context, it feels like either blame of the woman or justification...
Are you really shocked that people would not want to look from a rapists perspective? Do you understand what rape is, without trying to see it from a rapists perspective?
That fabric softener teddy bear...oooh I'm 'a hunt that little bitch down.
Last edited by Arganis; 2013-02-12 at 12:52 AM.
"You analogy falls completely flat simply because following your train of thought, science can prove there is reason behind rape. It can't and there isn't. Rape is a moral choice. Get over it. There is no constructive discussion.
That's where you're wrong and you show your ignorance. Ever hear of psychology, psychiatry? Those are sciences and they've proved many things through deduction and analysis. But nothing I say will make you change your mind because you're just like Endus."
Bolded the important bits.
The part that science proved was that sex is almost a non-factor in rape.
It's called being street smart. What if you do walk by a mugger or rapist? If you can easily avoid it, why not do it? Have fun getting mugged one day.
Allow me to list further problems with that graphic. Serious problems... not the least of which is its assumption that all of the accused are guilty.
Yeah... it's not just about false accusations, but the idea that every accusation is automatically indicative of a crime.
Not to mention the fact that actual scholars in the area say:
As such, any data stated as fact on the subject (Especially data that purposely aims for the low end of the estimated range) is intellectually dishonest.". . . the statistics on false rape accusation widely vary and 'as a scientific matter, the frequency of false rape complaints to police or other legal authorities remains unknown.'" A. Gruber, Rape, Feminism, and the War on Crime, 84 Wash. L. Rev. 581, 595-600 (November 2009)
In addition, even if you assume that the 2% false accusations rate is accurate, that doesn't make the other 98% actual rapes. It just makes them alleged rapes... not even alleged rapes... they were never reported and thus, could never even have been determined to be a legitimate or false claim in the first place.
Hypothetically speaking, half of those unreported claims could, in fact, be false allegations and we would have absolutely no way of knowing one way or the other... What with them being unreported and uninvestigated and all...
If you want to get real statistics to make an infographic, get the report rate up. And try not to do it by doing stupid things like forcing the burden of proof on the accused or reducing the requirements for a rape conviction to this disgraceful "preponderance of evidence" horse shit that some universities have been implementing.